[EVA] Positive Evidence
ebj.nerv at flashnet.it
Tue Jun 8 01:43:42 EDT 2004
> I supposed that matter was dealt, but I never thought in a satisfactory
> go browsing". What kind of discussion is that?
Well, I guess it's a matter of feeling that a conclusion reached after long
discussions tends to stand, all things being equal.
> For all we know 400% synch means dissolving. We see that in episode 20.
> they did salvage her.
Or not at all. Stick to what we know. She tried to sync with the Eva, the
outcome was madness. Do we really need to add the "400% sync (no evidence
for Kyouko *or* Yui the number's that)", the "absorbed" and much less the
"salvaged" part. Or they would've put it different in the series, like "we
have a chance but we may get a slightly insane Shinji instead of a regular
> Perhaps because the only way to copy a soul is to put it into a core,
> probably they can (and I hate this term) 'imprint' a soul in a core.
Or, they can only get one in there by means of the accidents that happened
to Kyouko and Yui.
> Why not
> copy more Reis? Because t'seems they knew her soul would be back to
> body. But they needed a compatible soul for Eva-00... if Rei's soul cannot
> be copied, then whose soul is in there?
I say none. Especially because we know of no other incidents such as the
> OR perhaps to imply that the DP has personality, but not soul, and that's
> the only thing needed to synchronize.
I don't even think it has the personality, it only has something that
resembles what schemes generate or mantain personality.
> But also there's the question that if
> compatible with Rei's personality?
None, and there's none in Eva-00, which is not piloted the standard way?
> And patterning doesn't? Why?
Because it seems to fit well?
> I don't mean to add something to the show when
> saying "copy", I just try to understand why there's the situation of the
> same soul on 2 different places at the same time.
Probably not the case. I say Rei does with Eva-00 something similar to what
Kaworu does with Eva-02.
> Eva series not having ATF? Then:
> something like "EVA-05 ATF"... I'll have to look for it for a screencap.
Imprecise wording: no ATF of their own. If we want to rationalise a movie
where the 20plus layers of armor above the Geofront are suddenly reduced to
a thin layer, and other inconsistencies arise.
> If she pilots Eva-00 in a different manner, then how come Shinji synchs
Suspicious, will have to look into this as well. If confirmed, my take is
that Rei keeps her body and the Eva inside the same ego-border/ATField.
> Because Kaworu says he can control Eva-02 because he has the same body as
> it, and also because it has a soul that's shutting itself up. I don't know
> about the soul of Eva-00 is shutting itself up or not, but certainly I
> Rei doesn't have the same body as Eva-00.
Point taken about the body (but we're talking about the guy who said he
didn't know it was Lilith he was getting at, and at the same time knew the
embryo was on Gendou's palm), but I'm assuming there's no soul at all in
> But in order to do that you have to come with "mental attachment",
> very unpositive. What was it, Occam's razor or something? If it was mental
> attachment, why then can't Gendou synch with Eva-01? They were lovers
Conflictual relationship with Shinji, non mother-son relationship, plus he's
not the age of the public that would buy tons of merchandise. (;P)
>From what can be empirically proven: flesh. Not doing so means everybody
> right. How do you know what Anno was thinking? Weber's "verstanden"? Even
> said that it wasn't accurate.
I don't "know". I can point towards what seems to be hinted. I am saying
that your proof is not "empirical", only as circumstancial as, if you will,
the patterning one.
> Because synchro works by transmiting thought patterns from pilot to Eva.
> first you need a compatible soul for the pilot. That's where the flesh
I still can't see right this flesh->soul bond you base your argument on.
Doesn't it sound the slightest strange to you to say "compatible *soul*,
that's where *flesh* comes in"?
> In Rei's personality. Rei was made from Yuis body. Shinji was made from
> Yui's body. Both are compatible, as Shinji synchs with Eva-00 (whose soul
> affirm is Rei's) and Rei synchs with Yui. DP has Rei's personality, it
> transmit her type of thought patterns, almost as if she was there.
Hmmm...it's just tricking the Eva into thinking there's a pilot, it's not
simulating the pilot's thoughts, or the Dummy would actually pilot the Eva,
whereas the Eva acts of its own while kept active by the dummy's presence.
> And what makes you all think that this "representation of something" has
> B)Retain the soul
You mean making a cliche of the soul and then transferring the information
to a new sheet of paper. But, to proceed in the analogy, you need the same
ink and type of paper. How come this is never mentioned?
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