[EVA] Positive Evidence

[Federico Dominguez Pousada]

> > For all we know 400% synch means dissolving. We see that in episode 20.
> <snip>
> > they did salvage her.
>
> Or not at all. Stick to what we know. She tried to sync with the Eva, the
> outcome was madness. Do we really need to add the "400% sync (no evidence
> for Kyouko *or* Yui the number's that)", the "absorbed" and much less the
> "salvaged" part. Or they would've put it different in the series, like "we
> have a chance but we may get a slightly insane Shinji instead of a regular
> one".

But we know that 400% means dissolving. Ritsuko seemed to knew it
beforehand. There was a salvage process for someone dissolved by the time of
Yui's accident. If we suppose she was dissolved, then is it incoherent to
say she was dissolved after a contact experiment wich led to 400% synch?
With that, she animated the core.

We know also that Kyouko also animated the core, and had a freak accident.
Isn't it reasonable, with the pieces we're handling now, to say she also had
a contact experiment, wich resulted in 400% synch and dissolution?


> > Perhaps because the only way to copy a soul is to put it into a core,
> > probably they can (and I hate this term) 'imprint' a soul in a core.
>
> Or, they can only get one in there by means of the accidents that happened
> to Kyouko and Yui.
>
> > Why not
> > copy more Reis? Because t'seems they knew her soul would be back to
> another
> > body. But they needed a compatible soul for Eva-00... if Rei's soul
cannot
> > be copied, then whose soul is in there?

> I say none. Especially because we know of no other incidents such as the
> above.

But we know that Eva-00 displays ATF, and because of that requires a soul.
So a soul must be in there, unless you're implying that Rei can do that ATF
for herself like on episode 24. Still, remember episode 23:

"Rei:            No, If I escape, the AT field will disappear.
                So, I won't."

If she can handle ATF's like Kaworu, then I guess the lines before are just
nonsense. Besides that angel in particular was held inside the core (as we
see on episode 23'), and guess what they say:

"Maya:           AT Field Reversed.
                Penetrated instantly!

Ritsuko:        To hold the Angel?"

A soul in the core, ATF deployed by it, reversed to contain the angel in the
core. Works, right?

Besides, if there is no soul in Eva-00... then how could Shinji synch with
it? What was what contacted Shinji from inside the Eva? Voidness in the form
of Rei? And even in the form of REI 1?

> > OR perhaps to imply that the DP has personality, but not soul, and
that's
> > the only thing needed to synchronize.
>
> I don't even think it has the personality, it only has something that
> resembles what schemes generate or mantain personality.

But Ritsuko says
"Ritsuko:This is the prototype dummy plug.
        Rei's personality was transfered,"

It has a transferred personality.


> > But also there's the question that if
> <snip>
> > compatible with Rei's personality?
>
> None, and there's none in Eva-00, which is not piloted the standard way?

And how does Shinji to synch with something that cannot be piloted in the
standard way? And how does Rei to synch with something that can be piloted
in the standard way?

> > I don't mean to add something to the show when
> > saying "copy", I just try to understand why there's the situation of the
> > same soul on 2 different places at the same time.
>
> Probably not the case. I say Rei does with Eva-00 something similar to
what
> Kaworu does with Eva-02.

But Kaworu specifically says why he can do that. Kaworu displayed by that
time special abilities wich Rei only showed on episode 24. The conditions
said: Same body, no soul or shutting itself soul. Does Rei and Eva-00 comply
with that? And how does Shinji to synch with something like that, has he any
special abilities I'm not aware of?

>
> > Eva series not having ATF? Then:
> <snip>
> > something like "EVA-05 ATF"... I'll have to look for it for a screencap.
>
> Imprecise wording: no ATF of their own. If we want to rationalise a movie
> where the 20plus layers of armor above the Geofront are suddenly reduced
to
> a thin layer, and other inconsistencies arise.

But it said they where their own ATF's! What was imprecise about that?

> > If she pilots Eva-00 in a different manner, then how come Shinji synchs
> with
> > it?
>

> > Because Kaworu says he can control Eva-02 because he has the same body
as
> > it, and also because it has a soul that's shutting itself up. I don't
know
> > about the soul of Eva-00 is shutting itself up or not, but certainly I
> > But in order to do that you have to come with "mental attachment",
> something
> > very unpositive. What was it, Occam's razor or something? If it was
mental
> > attachment, why then can't Gendou synch with Eva-01? They were lovers
> after
> > all.
>
> Conflictual relationship with Shinji, non mother-son relationship, plus
he's
> not the age of the public that would buy tons of merchandise. (;P)

Yep, but how about Rei synching with Yui? How about Shinji synching with
Eva-00?

If its about the razor, then the best explanation is the one I'm proposing.
Just take a look at it again, and tell me honestly it doesn't make sense at
all:
1) Shinji synchs with Yui
2)Asuka with Kyouko
(until now mother-child bond)
3)Rei with Yui
(no mother child bond)

The pattern is broken by case 3. But what is the common thing between all
these 3 cases? Because there is a common thing between them all:
The pilots once where the same flesh as the one possesed by the souls now in
the core.
Shinji was the same flesh as Yui. Same with Kyouko. Same with Rei and Yui
(its the only thing they have in common, positively, their bodies)

So, now there's a pattern for all the 3 cases. If this pattern is right,
then the soul in Eva-00, should be one that once had the same flesh as
Shinji and Rei. It can be either Yui or Rei. But from the cross-piloting
episode, and the references of something Rei like coming from inside the
Eva, I have to take that its' Rei inside that core.


> > Because synchro works by transmiting thought patterns from pilot to Eva.
> But
> > first you need a compatible soul for the pilot. That's where the flesh
> comes
> > in.
>
> I still can't see right this flesh->soul bond you base your argument on.
> Doesn't it sound the slightest strange to you to say "compatible *soul*,
> that's where *flesh* comes in"?

I wasn't exact in my previous definition: A pilot whose flesh once was the
same as the one possese by the soul now in core.


> > In Rei's personality. Rei was made from Yuis body. Shinji was made from
> > Yui's body. Both are compatible, as Shinji synchs with Eva-00 (whose
soul
> I
> > affirm is Rei's) and Rei synchs with Yui. DP has Rei's personality, it
> will
> > transmit her type of thought patterns, almost as if she was there.
>
> Hmmm...it's just tricking the Eva into thinking there's a pilot, it's not
> simulating the pilot's thoughts, or the Dummy would actually pilot the
Eva,
> whereas the Eva acts of its own while kept active by the dummy's presence.

And why does it trick the Eva into thinking there's a pilot?

"Ritsuko:This is the prototype dummy plug.
        Rei's personality was transfered,
        although the human mind and spirit are not digitalizable.
        This is nothing but a fake, a copy
 ->    which imitates the pilot's thinking. It's nothing but a machine."

Imitates pilot's thinking, probably according to that transfered
personality. Imitating pilots thining transmits to Eva, and Eva reacts.


> > And what makes you all think that this "representation of something" has
> to
> <snip>
> > B)Retain the soul
>
> You mean making a cliche of the soul and then transferring the information
> to a new sheet of paper. But, to proceed in the analogy, you need the same
> ink and type of paper. How come this is never mentioned?

Perhaps the ink and paper can be cores or bodies.

One question for about the patterning: What use would have the salvage
process if Yui was needed to die?