[EVA] Positive Evidence
Federico Dominguez Pousada
federico_dominguez at ciudad.com.ar
Tue Jun 8 07:06:00 EDT 2004
> Less reasonable than assuming it did not happen, IMO.
As I said on the other post, about why I think Kyouko was also dissoluted:
"It is said that the contact experiment, Yui's one, ended on dissolution.
Inference:The act or process of deriving logical conclusions from premises
known or assumed to be true.
Yui had contact experiment: True
Yui dissolved: True
400% synch rate dissolves: True
Result: Yui had a 400% synch rate during contact experiment and dissolved.
A contact experiment ended on dissolution: True
Could another one end the same way? For what we know, for the only case we
know, it ended on dissolution. Odds are that another one also could end up
like that. Probability.
Still, the other time when we see 400% synch we also see dissolution and
core animation: Shinji in Eva-01.
So I sum: One 400% synch ended on dissolution and core animation, t'was
called contact experiment. Another 400% synch ended on dissolution and core
animation. For what I know till now I could logically say that core
animation requires 400% synch and dissolution."
> > But there's something more: "IF I escape the ATF will go down" she says.
> > if she's still alive, then no ATF goes down. The only ATF that would go
> > if she escapes is the one from Eva.
> But it goes down from where she is.
Why? We see Kaworus special abilities projecting his ATF at long distances,
blocking all sensors. If Rei had the same abilities, then just getting out
of the Eva would be no problem to continue containing the Angel. But she
says if she ejects the ATF would go down. What ATF positively would go down
if she ejects? Her own? It doesn't seem too logic IMO. But the one that
would positively go down is the one from the Eva, no synch, no ATF.
Just one thing: Did Rei ever manifest special conscient abilities using ATF
before episode 24?
> > The quote actually said:
> > there should be a soul, and besides:
> I know they don't say it's somebody else's ATFields, but then again I
> condone, nor see any hard evidence of soul copying, so if we need to patch
> ainax's mess in Magokoro in terms of consistence, then I have to use the
> only special ATField I see in the scene, and that's Giant Rei's.
I'm just saying that if Kaworu's DP only worked with Kaworu compatible
souls, if all MP Evas use Kaworu's DP, all MP Evas, as they manifest ATF's,
should have a Kaworu compatible soul. The only Kaworu compatible soul we
know of is Kaworu himself. But the DP issue is a tricky one, I wouldn't put
my hands on fire for it.
> > "Shigeru (off screen): The Eva series have opened up their S2 systems!
> > infinite is an anti ATF. All of this happened before Lillith arose:
> I believe this was taken as a fact by the list as well, yes.
Then you agree that the MP Evas had ATF's of their own, right? Because if an
anti ATF is an ATF expanded to infinity (or something of that sort), and
this Anti ATF appeared before giant Rei, then those MP Evas would be having
> > Let me explain, although take this as "off the record"
> > Kyouko-Asuka, Rei-Yui. I hope you understand now.
> But, by this same reasoning, it is quite simpler to scratch the reference
> the mind and soul and go with the biological part alone. While I don't
> scratch the idea that the body concurs to determine the individual as a
> person (in fact, I very much sustain that one's experiences -incidentally
> translatable into thought patterns- one's body and one's soul *do*
> an individual in Eva), I don't think it does it in a 'genetic makeup' way,
> ie. the brain and so on as you say. I say it's the vessel through which
> soul is made to interact with others and shape personality. Which is what
> digitized in the Dummies and required to produce a working dummy system.
> the mental factor is, to me, separated from the bodily factor, and the
> is just as well. I do not discard the inheritance factor entirely, not in
> terms of thought patterns being partly determined, though that is only a
> matter of initial make-up and is only a concurring factor in a process
> needs social interaction to work correctly. This is the point of the show.
I know nothing of biology, nor do I care, nor do I think its relevant when
talking to Eva. I was just trying to express in a more understandable way
what I could see through experience: that the factor all pilots had to be
compatible with their respective souls came from the body. Flesh from the
flesh. I don't know how this works, I don't think I can draw anything
positive from Eva about how this fleshly determination works. But one thing
I can positively say: that factor exists, because 3 pilots synched with 2
souls, and the only thing those 5 elements had in common was 'the flesh'.
> > Yui seemed to know methinks, if so, Fuyu too.
> I am unsure whether Yui meant to get sucked in the Eva, or if she accepted
> it even though it was an accident. I think it wasn't done by the Council
I read a thread a while ago that used that dialogue from episode 21', Yui
with Fuyu in front of a lake, and it explained more or less that Yui knew
exactly what would happen to her. This is more or less confirmed by the RCB,
when it says that her accident was probably intentional, and she was behind
it. I don't remember much of it, but it was interesting though.
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