[EVA] Sick Sadamoto (SPOILER !!!!, under your own responsability)
rjn at beeb.net
Thu Jun 10 00:22:37 EDT 2004
Thanks for your reply Brendan. I have not seen irreversible, but am
haunted by scenes from other movies, in a similar way. Battle Royale 1
as a LA example had some scenes...from my most recent memory.
Strangely maybe, I don't compare the 2 Kaworus - at this stage anyway.
Any scenes involving killing or cruelty to innocent animals (apart
from rats)though I always interpret more as artists pandering to
gore-horror fans, rather than for artistic reasons. (Did you ever read
"Big Black Kiss" GN by Howard Chaykin? Lots of shocks, but the cat's
fate in that was too much.)
I did think "why"? for Toji, but then comparing *that* to the animé,
his fate seemed more realistic, & in a long term way kinder.
Sadamoto's story is undoubtedly grittier.
What odds do you give there may be no 3rd Impact or Complementation at
all in Eva manga?
Both get prevented & (Shinji lets) mankind await its slow doom. The
most unexpected & neatest ending of all?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brendan Jamieson" <bjamieson at gmail.com>
To: "R.J.N" <rjn at beeb.net>; "The english-language evangelion mailing
list." <evangelion at eva.onegeek.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [EVA] Sick Sadamoto (SPOILER !!!!, under your own
: On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:15:30 +0100, R.J.N <rjn at beeb.net> wrote:
: > The kitten was *illustrated* being killed graphically, down to its
: > of pain "speech" bubble. Sadamoto could have drawn it much more
: > succinctly, instead of in full detail had he really wanted to use
: > as a device to show Kaworu's inhumanity. It was an ill-concieved
: > scene.
: But this argument can be made about any graphic scene, in any
: film, animation, literature - or manga. I just re-watched Gaspar
: 'Irreversible' a few nights ago and was surprised by how much the 7
: minute, single shot, rape scene still affected me after having seen
: this film 2-3 times now. It's brutal, unflinching and
: But as long as there's a reason for this, I don't see any reason why
: it should cut away. The same applies to Sadamoto's scene. I think
: there's a time and place to cut away, but in essence the scene - I
: think - is meant to differentiate between Sadamoto's Kaworu and
: Kaworu. In the anime, Kaworu is almost a hero. He's sympathetic and
: has all the answers and in the end becomes a martyr for humans.
: Conversely, Sadamoto's manga Kaworu is a touch more sinister and
: I wonder if this scene would have struck you as much had you not had
: the anime as a previous reference point... Don't get me wrong, I'm
: saying it's an unaffecting scene (I love cats too), but when I read
: I was more "surprised" than "disgusted" by it. In an odd way, it
: reminded me of Shinji's scene at the beginning of EoE. In both cases
: we have pre-conceived notions of the character, and in both cases
: do something unexpected that *seems* to be against what we had
: otherwise anticipated.
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