[EVA] Positive Evidence (All)
Federico Dominguez Pousada
federico_dominguez at ciudad.com.ar
Sat Jun 12 07:09:20 EDT 2004
> Except that in this case the RCB agrees perfectly with the series.
That is the question... does it agree perfectly with the series on this
> Also, the images from Ep14/25 and the Ep25 script are not positive proof
> Rei-1 is in Eva-00. If we are simply arguing "possibilities", I could say
> was Rei's residual mental patterns (she introspected a lot in the entry
> or maybe resonance/feedback from Rei watching the cross-sync test from the
> control room. After all, Rei has Lilith's soul which makes her an
> so we could probably find even more "possibilities" that are not
> or disproven by the series or materials.
But I don't think there's much of a possibility here, more possibility than
fact. Its a fact that something from inside the Eva invaded Shinji. And that
something Shinji described as Rei but not exactly Rei. Why not exactly Rei?
Well, I think that's what the last image comes to explain: an image that
only appeared twice: on episode 14 and later on episode 25, an image wich
was tagged as Rei-1. Arguing possibilities would be to say that's residual
mental patterns or something of that sort. The only positive thing is that
something from inside the Eva came to Shinji, and that something had the
impression of Rei, but not exactly Rei (in Shinji's words, who only knew
Rei-002), and that something later manifested as Rei-001, wich would explain
why its a Rei but not exactly Rei. That can't be denied. Now, if that was a
soul or not, that's the matter of the discussion.
If Eva-00 didn't have a soul after all it meant that Rei had the special
abilities of Kaworu and used them all the time. But Kaworu expressed why he
could synch Eva-02, he gave two conditions, one wich is not met in the
Rei-Eva-00 case. Also we have no indication that Rei used any of those
abilities until episode 24. So not only she didn't display those abilities,
but also if she even displayed them, the conditions described by Kaworu for
moving the Eva are not met. That would only lead to Eva-00 having Rei's soul
> Soul transfer between bodies without copying or division is a proven fact
> Eva. If this proven fact can be used to explain other things without
> contradiction such as how Kyouko's soul transferred to Eva-02 after her
> without the need for dissolution, then according to Occam's Razor there is
> need to make up alternate possibilities unless a matter cannot be
> any other way.
Yes, that's a fact. The thing is that if its also a fact that Eva-00 had
Rei-001 soul, then the razor points to the other way.
In fact another evidence proving soul transfer is Shinji in episode 20.
That's what made me not believe in the soul imprintation theory. In the
beginning of his dissolution we see that his soul resides in the plug. But
when the contents of the plugs are lost Shinji says something like "Me
within Eva? Again?". And then he ends up coming out of the core. There's the
possibility of his original soul being lost with the contents of the plug,
but the immediate remark after the plug opens seems to point the other way.
> Except that the mother-child bond is specifically mentioned in the series
> materials, and the flesh bond is not. The mother-child bond is not the
> determining factor as evidenced by the exceptions we have noted, but given
> mention and imagery in the series, it should be considered the primal
> with other cases being treated as exceptions.
I know they specifically name the mother and child bond. But also Rei synchs
with Yui and she is not her child. There's no bond of that kind there. But
there's something common between Yui and Rei, and its the body. And that
factor is also common to the rest of the pilots and their respective
resident souls. I'm not discarding the mother child bond, but I think it
doesn't reflect all cases. And the flesh factor explains not only the mother
and child bond cases, but also the case where there's no mother and child
bond. It explains everything except the extraordinary cases.
The series also never specifically names the souls will on synchro for
making a pilot 'compatible' or not, but it can be derived from the evidence.
So in the end there are 3 factors, mother and child bond, flesh and will.
All the three of them comprobable with experience.
> Can you give a good reason why Ritsuko would not know of the results of
> Kyouko's contact experiment or a successful salvage procedure if one
> Or why she would deliberately ignore or refuse to mention a successful
> procedure if she know of one?
As for reasons I think everybody could come up with one. Many people thought
that Yui was not retrievable because she didn't want to come back, more or
less what Ritsuko asks on Shinji's case "Don't you want to come back
Shinji?". If this is like this, then the original rescue plan would be
succesful unless the soul doesn't want to come back. Would she deliberately
expose to Misato (to whom she hides everything) how they animated all those
> We are never told that someone has to dissolve
> inside a plug, we just see that in one particular case it happens that way
We see it on 2 cases that we know that ended in core animation. Both with
Yui and Shinji. Both dissolved.
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