[EVA] Positive Evidence (All)

[Federico Dominguez Pousada]

> > a) only supports the idea that there's a soul behind Eva-00, be it a
being
> > capable of deploying it by itself or a soul inside the core.
>
> Again, no. a) disregards the possibility that the ATField is that of its
> unique pilot, known to be able to project it. It is the unique combination
> of Rei and Eva-00 that make this point inconclusive.
>

You're taking it farther than what I suggested. I had said:
a) Eva-00 manifests ATF, thus it requires a soul

The only thing that means is that there must be a soul behind Eva-00 that
displays ATF. Be it Rei with special abilities or a soul inside the core is
another question. That evidence only said a soul was required for ATF, and
because Eva-00 displays ATF, one way or another, it requires a soul.

> > nonwritten rules of anime don't count here.
>
> Is that so?

What kind of evidence would that be?

>
> > The thing is that we never see her display those abilities, and as far
as
> > we know she never used them until episode 24.
>
> As I'm sure you've read in another message of mine, by this reasoning we
> have to assume Rei also never uses the bathroom for anything else but
> showers.

We could assume, but not being certain.

>
> > One thing is what he believes he will find, not even something certain
> > until he finds out, and another is the description of things he already
> > achieved. If we discard everything Kaworu says because of the Adam
error,
> > then we might alos deny the ATF being the light of the soul.
>
> Except that the ATF being the light of the soul is not in contradiction
with
> something else he says, whereas it is incontrovertible that he knows where
> Adam's body is and then he goes after something else. Or should we think
he
> was so stupid as to think Gendou would spend all his time 9kms below?

And what is the contradiction here?:
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Kaoru:          Eva is made of the same body as me.
                Because I am also born from Adam.
                When the unit does not have a soul, I can unite.
                The soul of this unit is shutting itself up now.
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>
> > And he says why Rei is like him: because they both taken the lilim form
to
> > live on this planet. Nothing more, nothing less.
>
> That doesn't leave the "I also am made from the same body as Adam"
statement
> in a good place.

Why not? He only says "we'be both taken the lilim form to live on this
planet", no words about the origin of his or her body.

> > Nevertheless, the same image, and tagged as Rei-1. Saying
> > that they did it just because they had no image and it proves nothing is
> > assumption. Saying the image is Rei-1 is a fact.
>
> No, saying that Rei-1 is represented by that image in that scene is a
fact.
> Saying that said image will always represent Rei-1 is a reverse
implication
> that does not stand by itself.

If one image is tagged as Rei-1 later, and the exact same image is used
before, why can't I say both images are Rei-1?

> It would be nice to see what the script says about that episode.

Yes, it would be great to know what the sidelines of episode 14 on that part
say about Rei. That's too much japanese for me to handle... Kanjis seems to
be unreadable to me, they're so small, so I can't redraw them on the IME
pad. I'll post the pic:

http://pics.reiliberationparade.com.ar/articles/script14_67.gif

> >If anyone sees the script and sees the "Rei 1" part, then
> > theyll know, wouldn't they?
>
> And, again, if they don't see it, they will SURELY know NOT. You don't
need
> that label to have the scene work, you don't need to know which Rei it is
> that is speaking then. That is why her identity is not made clear. This
> being a sidenote to the fact that the implication doesn't work the other
way
> around.

Without the RCB you would never know Asuka was american, right? Without the
RCB you wouldn't know Rei has one and the same soul, right? The thing is
that once the evidence exists, it becomes a fact. If it wasn't clear before,
it is now, with the evidence presented.

> > Oh yes it would.
>
> How?

It would also legitimize the renewal scripts, to see if there were no mess
ups. Also there could have other useful sidenotes.