[EVA]Jesus, Jesus Everywhere was Re: [EVA]Gender/Sex

[Rachel K. Clark]

[Are there any particular rules regarding thread naming, BTW? I couldn't 
find an FAQ, or perhaps I'm just blind.]

The "Jesus" thing was mostly a joke poking fun at all of the 
cross/crucifiction imagery in the show. With a couple of exceptions.

> >Well, she wouldn't have the monopoly on being the Jesus of the show. 
> >They're everywhere! Rei is Jesus.
>
> Hmmm... I'd argue that really. She's more of the Triple Goddess than a 
> Messiah. (Which is to say, she embodies Maiden, Mother and Crone in a 
> fashion reminiscent of many non-Christian religions.)

How is Rei 3 a crone? Surely she would object to this!

>>Kaworu is Jesus.
>
> Dies for sins, yeah. Kaworu makes it as a Jesus-figure.

Kaworu's been compared to Jesus in a number of ways, most of which I don't 
feel like summarizing due to laziness. ^_^; One interesting one I found 
while doing the torturous translations for the NGE2 CI was the usage of the 
term "incarnate" in entry 16-D. To lazily quote myself:

<<"Incarnated": This one is interesting. It's the word for "incarnation" 
juniku) modified into a passive verb, and commonly (not sure about 
exclusively) used in association with that Jesus Christ fellow. We're not 
supposed to trust Wikipedia and all, but it still has a handy summary on the 
"incarnation" concept, and it mentions the word's original meaning of 
"enfleshing" ("wrapping in flesh", as the Japanese entry puts it). The 
"Jesus Parallel" implied with this one word (not that it's anything 
particularly new and astounding) takes some liberties, of course. (You 
know... "God" being physical, "God" being female, "Jesus" being immaculately 
conceived within "God" by a meddling mortal, and... various other things 
people don't necessarily buy into. :bravely runs away: ) >>

One might consider Kaworu's origins via "gene-diving", by way of Contact 
Experiment, a form of 'immaculate conception', only the situation is 
reversed. And "God" ends up walking among mortals, but without having any 
say in the matter. (The latter applies to the OTHER "God", too, the one with 
the 7 Eyes plastered over her face.)

>>Yui is Jesus.
>
> Yui is Mary, mother of God. Did you not get the memo?

I saw the fan-art. Does that count?

> She's immaculate, gets portrayed as the ultimate maternal figure, and is 
> female. Now, you could also argue that her entry into Unit01 is a form of 
> "dying for sins" but since she does it for personal gain, I'd argue 
> otherwise.

:idly wonders if it's too late to resurrect that "Yui/bitch" thread:

>>Lilith is Jesus.
>
> Crucified, and impaled by the spear. Our first female Jesus. (at least by 
> my reckoning.)

As Toasty Frog put it in the Thumbnail Theatre, "It's my own personal 
Jesus!"

>>The Eva Series are Jesus.
>
> Crucified and impaled by the spear. I'd make a really bad joke about 
> eating flesh and making communion but I won't.

Awwww....

>>EVA-03 is Jesus.
>
> I'm not seeing this. Brutal death does not a Jesus make.

Naw, it's just the gratuitous, aerodynamically inefficient 
mock-crucifiction.

 >>Heck, Dr. Katsuragi, Kaji, and Misato are Jesus.
>
> Well, self-sacrificing figures at the very least. Though Dr. Katsuragi is 
> a bit of a cipher,

Explain. Dr. K's lone fangirl must know.

> and Misato and Kaji are most definitely NOT sinless...

Well, both are matyrs who take fatal bullets in front of crosses. (See 
http://animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5663035#post5663035) And the 
Katsuragi Cross is "crucified" at the end, too.

> That never occured to me, even though One More Final takes the place of 
> Episode 26' for that final eyecatch.

Yeah, strange. It vaguely reminds me of how #26 is referred to as "final 
episode" (saishuu wa, IIRC) rather than 'episode twenty-six' (dai nijuuroku 
wa) in the S2 Works booklet. </irrelevant information>

>I thought of One More Final as a modifer to "I Need You." Hence that it's 
>yet another "I Need You" but the last one Shinji will need, as he's ready 
>to affirm his post-Instrumentality existence.

It also serves as a thematic counterpart to the English title for the OTHER 
#26, "Take care of yourself". Perhaps the two are meant to represent one of 
the paradoces of the human condition. In #26, Shinji learns that it is 
possible to love himself and find his own sense of self-worth, thereupon 
standing on his own two feet -- "take care of yourself" -- while #26' has 
him realizing the importance of other people to his own existence -- "I need 
you". There is overlap, of course, but that's the best I can articulate it 
right now.

--Reichu