[EVA] Eva Manga Stage 72

[Gualtiero 'Shito' Cannarsi]

M, I seriously thinks Kaworu HAS 'unified' with Nigouki, hence his moving
the Eva unit without even being into the entry plug. Honestly the whole
Kaworu line is most likely babble to justify the uber-cool 'pilotting an Eva
unit while staing outside of it' thing and nothing more.

I know the meaning of 'douka', but again, SF babble. :-)

"Kore ha saishuu no ningen, Adam da yo" anyone?

(lol)

It's kind of strange anyway, for any single Japanese native speaker who
watched Eva I knew, official (italian) translator included, who is Japanese
as well, just intended that line in the way I did.

Oh, well, nothing that important anyway my friend. Just babbling after
all... ;-)

G.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "M" <bochan at r4.dion.ne.jp>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [EVA] Eva Manga Stage 72


> No, the Japanese does not work that way.
> Let me try to explain as simply as possible.
>
> - Kaworu first says: "If XXX did not have a soul, we could join."
>
> This can be rephrased as: "XXX has a soul, so we cannot join."
> Essentially, Kaworu is saying that he cannot join with Eva-02 under
> the current conditions (because XXX has a soul).
>
> - Kaworu then says: "Because the soul of Eva-02 has shut itself away."
>
> This can be rephrased as: "The soul of Eva-02 has shut itself away,
> so..."
> Or, together with the previous line: "The soul of Eva-02 has shut
> itself away, so (if XXX did not have a soul, we could join)."
>
> Can you see the contradiction here?
> If Eva-02's soul shutting itself away is the same as Eva-02 having no
> soul, then Kaworu would be able to join with Eva-02 under the current
> conditions.  However, he essentially says himself that he cannot
> join.  Therefore, Kaworu *must* be referring to himself.
>
> (FYI, the word "join = douka" that Kaworu uses does not mean just to
> synchronize or control, but actual assimilation or physical merging,
> so the current situation where he is controlling Eva-02 is -not- the
> joining he speaks of.)
>
> "M"
>
>
> >> We know that Eva-02 has a soul, so impersonal grammar or not, Kaworu
> >> cannot be talking about Eva-02.
> >
> > We know Kaworu has a soul as well, dear friend.
>
> Hence Kaworu's use of the word *If*.
>
>
> > Not only that, he's living and speaking (= kind of manifestation of
> > it's
> > soul), while Nigouki (and its pilot) are likely in catathonic
> > state. I think
> > that the 'no-soul like' is referred to the Nigouki situation, like
> > Kaworu is
> > saying 'I can unify with any Eva as long as it (the Eva) has no
> > soul, and
> > you know, the soul of THIS Eva (Nigouki) is shutting itself away,
> > so..."
> >
> > I really fail to see ho Kaworu can refer to HIMSELF like a soul-
> > less being.
> > And even if so, after doing that, would the remark of Nigouki soul
> > shutting
> > itself away have any sense at all?
> >
> > G.
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