[EVA] Eva Manga Stage 72

[Matthew Staley]

Um...sorry to interupt the discussion, but where do you guys get your chapters to read?

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From: M <bochan at r4.dion.ne.jp>
Reply-To: "The english-language evangelion mailing list."<evangelion at eva.onegeek.org>
Date:  Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:02:46 +0900

>> I still fail to see the why.
>
>Because you are trying to selectively apply the conditional of the  
>second sentence to only part of the first sentence in order to create  
>the meaning you want instead of what the Japanese actually says.
>
>Let me explain...
>
>
>> Eva and me are made of the same body
>> for we both are born from Adam
>> [thus]
>
>This first part is straightforward.  No problems here.
>
>However, the next two lines are actually one complex sentence related  
>by "because/so" in the manner of {A because B}:
>
>"If no soul, can join/merge"  => A
>"Because soul has shut itself away"  => B
>
>Here, sentence "A" is comprised of the following relational:
>
>"If no soul (A1), can join/merge (A2)"  => (If A1, then A2)
>
>So the grammar structure becomes:  {(If A1, then A2) because B}
>
>The problem is that you are trying to apply "B" only to "A2" in the  
>manner of {A2 because B} (Can join/merge because soul has shut itself  
>away).  However, this changes the overall meaning of the sentences.
>
>Thus, in order for your interpretation to be correct:
>1a- We must apply a new and questionable meaning to the word "douka  
>(join/merge)".
>1b- We must assume that "soul shutting itself away" is the same as  
>"no soul".
>2- We must ignore the grammar and misapply the relational.
>3- We must invoke the "coolness" factor to help explain away the  
>discrepancy.
>
>Sir William Ockham would not be pleased. ^^;;;
>
>In contrast, my argument is that:
>1a/1b- Words mean what they mean.
>2- Grammar structures have specific purposes, and are used for a reason.
>3- "Coolness" cannot be used as an argument without clear evidence.
>
>I think that the main reason people read Kaworu's line as "If I did  
>not have a soul" is because that is what they want or expect to  
>read.  In other words, the interpretation is rooted in preconceived  
>bias.
>
>Now, if you want to argue that Gainax/Sadamoto screwed up the dialog  
>and really wanted to say [your interpretation], then of course the  
>possibility cannot be ruled out, but it would also be moot since it  
>would be 100% speculation.
>
>"M"
>
>
>> if there is NO (soul) [in an Eva unit], I CAN (join/merge) [with  
>> that Eva
>> unit]
>>
>> [and that's what I've done with this unit, for you see I'm  
>> controlling it
>> without even touching, and this 'merging' thing is the babble the  
>> author
>> has put into the show just to justify this very cool scene, ya know]
>>
>> this Eva unit is shutting its soul away
>>
>> [and that's the reason why this Unit count as 'soul-less' now, even it
>> there's actually a soul in it]
>>
>> ***
>>
>> This is my reading/interpretation of the scene overall. :-)
>
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