[EVA] Eva ChronicleS

Thu Jul 27 14:17:52 EDT 2006

> >Both the Second Impact DVD Box Sets and the Renewal DVD Box Sets  had the
> >'short form edit' for peisode 21-24, yes, but that was not the original
TV
> >master anyway I think, just has episode 1-20 had never been. :-)
>
> I was really under the impression that the "gimmick" behind the Second
> Impact DVD Box Sets were that they were releases of the show as originally
> aired on TV, short episode previews and the such. If anyone has them and
is
> willing to clarify, that'd be wonderful.

Well, considering that the short version preview were always added as a
special bonus in the original VHS/LD releases, and considering that the
'short version' epi21-24 were kind of bonuses as well, it's pretty much
possible they were not edited with the long version preview anyway. But I
doubt those were included with furigana for the title, etc. Most likely the
reference to the 'originally aired' version was just to have a difference
inbetween longer version (so called 'director's cuts') and shorter version
(called TV original version).

> From what I understand, if you sent in proofs of purchase of all the LDs
to
> Gainax, you could get a limited edition Genesis 0:X which had the original
> TV versions of 21-24. I'm pretty sure that it was rare and limited, hence
> why you've never heard of or seen it.

You are right, I've done a bit of research on THE source of information for
any Japanese merchandise: YahooJapanAuction! ^^

Genesis 0:X was a 'complete purchase benefit' for the original LD release.
It's a bonus LD with a single jacket (not a double one as the regular
Genesis), the cover is the one I was referring about (Kaworu in Plug Suit by
Honda Takeshi, the top Eva artist). This extra LD *do not* fit in any of the
original three LD-box, which were issued with the first presses of LD
Genesis 0:1, 0:6 and 0:10 respectively (but the first one having been
re-print also).

> Yes, but ADV previously had been under an agreement with Gainax, that they
> couldn't release their episodes until after Gainax did. But for 21-26,
they
> went ahead and released them anyways. I'm pretty sure that resulted at
least
> the last two episodes being released in North America before they were
> released anywhere else. ADV even advertised them as such. (Sneaky
bastards.)
>
> That was partially because they didn't quite have the rights for the
revised
> versions of 21-24, and partially because they didn't want to wait for
Gainax
> to finish animating and fixing those episodes. I mean, it's not like
Gainax
> has a history of not being on time or anything...

This is most likely true, but I doubt they did anything against the licensor
agreement. Fact is the licensor was most likely King Record or Starchild,
not directly Gainax. If not, Gainax would have NOT provided the master for
the ep.21-26 in their pure TV form (furigana, etc). At the time, the home
video masters for those episode do not even existed in Japan. No 'long
version' trailers had been even prepared. As a matter of fact, the LD/VHS
release scheduled got delayed and delayed in Japan. And the 'longer version'
were not even planned till a certain point, which came in during the
production of the movies.

> But is it the FINAL FINAL edit? Was Death(true)^2 the version that had the
> "This is how Evangerion is supposed to look like" title screen?

One could just speculate about it, you know. ^^; Well at least as far as the
revision work went, that's the ultimate edit, yes. It's also the very only
one even released in any homevideo form, and also the one presented in the
final Road Show / movie form of Evangelion.

> >Poor Rebirth. ;-)
>
> It was preserved on LD. I mean, the differences between Rebirth and Air
are
> really only for the hardcore fans. Like us. A different audio track, some
> cuts are longer or shorter, some animation was redone, the secret of whose
> soul is in Unit00 was removed, and the ending cuts in earlier.

Yeah, and I must admit the re-dub of the Rebirth footage in the Air is
frankly way superior to the original one. Also some cuts are been edited I
think, such as the zooming on Nigouki at the bottom of the underground lake
in the Geofront (when the Eva is in the the fetus posture, you know).

And BTW, what do you exactly mean by "the secret of whose soul is in Unit00
was removed"?

Yet, Rebirth is present only in the ORIGINAL release, say VHS, LD or DVD,
but the original ones.

With the original release you get the movie footage in all its form:
correctly inserted in the series as episodes (an with their proper editing
for that purpose), and in the 'full feature movie form', sei both D&R and
EoE. That's basically the very reason because I say all the DVD-boxes are
shit: presenting, they just add Revival of Eva to the incomplete series, and
you miss 1) Ep245' and 36' in their 'series edit' + 2) Rebirth. Nothing like
good or smart or logical if you ask me.

> That being said, it is a pity that Gainax has decided that Rebirth, as the
> work-in-progress preview for Air, is no longer suitable for home video
> release and has such replaced it with Air, cut down to look like Rebirth.

Which home video release contain this 'fake' version of Rebirth, actually?

G.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Svensson" <sun1jack at hotmail.com>
To: <evangelion at eva.onegeek.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [EVA] Eva ChronicleS

> >Both the Second Impact DVD Box Sets and the Renewal DVD Box Sets  had the
> >'short form edit' for peisode 21-24, yes, but that was not the original
TV
> >master anyway I think, just has episode 1-20 had never been. :-)
>
> I was really under the impression that the "gimmick" behind the Second
> Impact DVD Box Sets were that they were releases of the show as originally
> aired on TV, short episode previews and the such. If anyone has them and
is
> willing to clarify, that'd be wonderful.
>
> >Woah, I think I'm missing the Genesis 0:X thing. I thought that was the
> >name
> >of the first game on the SegaSaturn (NGE First Impression) or something
> >like
> >that. Can you tell me more about this topic?
>
> >From what I understand, if you sent in proofs of purchase of all the LDs
to
> Gainax, you could get a limited edition Genesis 0:X which had the original
> TV versions of 21-24. I'm pretty sure that it was rare and limited, hence
> why you've never heard of or seen it.
>
> Anyone with a copy is free to speak up and talk about it.
>
> >Dunno, the same apply for any other Western country, such as Italy (were
I
> >live and were I worked myself on Eva), France, etc. The masters for
episode
> >21-26 we got from ADV were the original TV masters, of very poor quality
I
> >must add.
>
> Yes, but ADV previously had been under an agreement with Gainax, that they
> couldn't release their episodes until after Gainax did. But for 21-26,
they
> went ahead and released them anyways. I'm pretty sure that resulted at
least
> the last two episodes being released in North America before they were
> released anywhere else. ADV even advertised them as such. (Sneaky
bastards.)
>
> That was partially because they didn't quite have the rights for the
revised
> versions of 21-24, and partially because they didn't want to wait for
Gainax
> to finish animating and fixing those episodes. I mean, it's not like
Gainax
> has a history of not being on time or anything...
>
> >Death(True)^2 is the final edit of Death, and it's also the edit
presented
> >in the thratrical release 'Revival of Evangelion', which was
Death(True)^2
> >+
> >Air + Magoro.
>
> But is it the FINAL FINAL edit? Was Death(true)^2 the version that had the
> "This is how Evangerion is supposed to look like" title screen?
>
> >Poor Rebirth. ;-)
>
> It was preserved on LD. I mean, the differences between Rebirth and Air
are
> really only for the hardcore fans. Like us. A different audio track, some
> cuts are longer or shorter, some animation was redone, the secret of whose
> soul is in Unit00 was removed, and the ending cuts in earlier.
>
> That being said, it is a pity that Gainax has decided that Rebirth, as the
> work-in-progress preview for Air, is no longer suitable for home video
> release and has such replaced it with Air, cut down to look like Rebirth.
>
> Peter Svensson
>
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