[EVA] Asuka before & after her dip in the lake.

[Tom Schmidt]

Thank you for the astute and (hopefully) elucidating observations.  I've
been explaining for years in much the same way the TV/E ending to my friends
after watching Evangelion with them.

As far as TV vs. E I don't think it's prudent to compare the two
competitively (not that you did, Sailor, I'm merely throwing it out there);
indeed as they happen concurrently and are both *canon* it is so much more
enlightening to have both "aspects" (mental and physical, as I think you've
dubbed them).  It probably would have been more confusing if the two endings
were combined and viewed simultaneously.

Of course I'm 'preaching to the choir,' but this show is *absolutely
asounding*.


On 8/23/07, Sailor Star Dust <aino.senshi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Following the EoE route, all we see of Asuka after her "rebirth" in 02,
> is
> her stroking Shinji & getting half-strangled in the attempt.
>
> How the final scene should have been for the fans who don't really get it:
>
> "Why did that damn Asuka leave me all alone for so lon--She's finally
> here?!
> Take that, bitch! Nobody says they want me and then betrays this
> crazy-from
> isolation Shinji and gets away with it! ...ZOMG WTF?! Her caress is just
> like Mother's?! And Asuka actually DOES care?! Shiku shiku shiku!"
> "...You make me sick."
>
> Anyway. ^_^;
>
> >But if you watch TV ep.25,  Asuka is shown, & is appalled at her own
> behavior from earlier on.
>
> Wait...what behavior do you think Asuka's appalled at?
>
> She's upset because of what happened in the past with her mother when she
> was little and admits how despite her not claiming to need anybody (due to
> her being rejected by her mother, father, and step-mother) and wanting to
> live alone, she in fact, doesn't want to be alone, nor die nor disappear.
>
> (Asuka's being upset at her past could also go along with her Regression
> and
> False Rebirth, as Kyoko was in partial control during the final battle (at
> first I thought maybe Kyoko was in full control, but something or other
> caused me to change my mind with that); especially Kyoko's twice saying
> "Please die with me!" amidst the "You must live on, don't die etc" )
>
> Anyway, here's said Episode 25 scene to help answer your question:
>
> ASUKA: Where am I?
>
> SHINJI: This is the me that exists in your mind, Asuka.
>
> ASUKA: Which means, it's also the me that exists in your mind, right?
>
> TEXT: In the Case of Asuka Langley Sohryu
>
> SHINJI (OFF): Asuka, what do you want?
>
> ASUKA (OFF): I'm going to live on my own! I don't need Mom or Dad. I'm
> going
> to live by myself. I'm not going to cry anymore. But I'm still crying...
> Why
> am I crying?
>
> STEPMOTHER (OFF): I don't know how to deal with that child.
>
> FATHER (OFF): What's this? You, a doctor, getting discouraged?  It isn't
> like you.
>
> STEPMOTHER (OFF): Even doctors are human, as I have mentioned before.
>
> FATHER (OFF): But a woman like you having trouble with a child...
>
> STEPMOTHER (OFF): She's oddly mature, and there's a sense of vigilant and
> absolute rejection. It scares me sometimes. Haven't you ever felt that
> way,
> dear?
>
> FATHER (OFF): No. Anyway, you're Asuka's mother now.
>
> STEPMOTHER (OFF): But before that, I first became your wife.
>
> FATHER (OFF): You became both at the same time.
>
> STEPMOTHER (OFF): Yes, from a social standpoint, that's true. But you can
> never stop being that child's father, whereas I can quit being her mother
> at
> any time.
>
> FATHER (OFF): True enough.
>
> CHILD ASUKA: Don't, Mom! Don't quit being my mom! I'll be a good girl, so
> you'll like me!
> So, don't quit being my mom! So, look at me! Stop, Mom! Don't kill me!
>
> ASUKA'S MOTHER: Your dad doesn't love your mom anymore. He doesn't need
> me.
> No, he never loved me to begin with. He probably didn't need me from the
> start. So, die with me, because your dad doesn't need us.
>
> CHILD ASUKA (OFF): Am I a bother? Am I not needed?
>
> MOTHER: Please die with me.
>
> CHILD ASUKA (OFF): No! I'm not your doll, Mom! I'll think for myself and
> live on my own!
>
> ASUKA'S VOICE: That time, my mom was hanging from the ceiling. The
> expression on her face looked very happy.
>
> ASUKA: But I hated that look on her face. I don't want to die. I don't
> want
> to disappear.
> I hate boys. I hate Mom and Dad too! I hate everybody! No one will protect
> me.
> No one will stay with me.
>
> TEXT: What does she want?
>
> ASUKA: That's why I'm going to live by myself. But I don't want to! It's
> hard! I don't want to be alone! I don't want to be alone! I don't want to
> be
> alone!
>
> SHINJI: Don't forsake me.
>
> MISATO: Don't abandon me.
>
> ASUKA: Don't kill me.
>
>
> >So do you all think that the Asuka in TV #25 is/can be placed in the
> movie-TV ether that happens during Complementation, *after* she has been
> "reborn" in EoE, & is in fact later the same Asuka as on the beach?
>
> No, when those "Case of" scenes happen in Episode 25 (and 26) it's during
> Pre-Instrumentality just like the Episode 26' Sandbox to Kitchen
> Strangulation sequence is.  (note how in both Pre-Third
> Impact-Pre-Instrumentality sequences, we get a glimpse of Misato's College
> Days and Shinji's disgusted reaction as well as the words "Don't leave me
> alone, don't abandon me, don't kill me.").
>
> Especially considering if you wish to look at EoTV and EoE as happening
> more
> or less concurrently; EoTV (25 & 26) being the mental aspect while EoE
> (25'
> & 26') is the physical. EoTV's final scene of "Congratulations!" happens
> after EoE's "I want to see them again. Because I believe my feelings were
> real." Expansion of Blockage scene.
>
>
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