[EVA] Overthinking (WAS Ghost Rei WAS Eva 00...)

Mon Dec 7 20:12:08 EST 2009

> You see what got me originally trusting you, even *respecting* you
> Aaron...was I honestly thought you'd taken the time to figure this all out
> and had the "answers" everyone keeps asking about.

You're mistaken, I never claimed to have all the answers.  I have been
saying for years, (since before you came, were demoted, and banned, if
that gives you a sense of the timeline) that Evangelion is a cartoon, a
fictional work that is fundamentally flawed.  Ask any of the Eva Geeks
community that have been around for the past several years, they'll tell
you the same.  I don't know what I ever did that gave you such a flagrant
hard-on, maybe it was because you found someone who you could try to pit
against Rachel to try and get your way with the wiki?

> "Just like the rest...nothing but a disappointment" -- Alucard, Hellsing

"The dead horse just called and said 'Stop beating the shit out of me'".
-- Nate, Web Zeroes

> My Vision, for the world after the ReVolution, is that "fanfic" and such
> gets pushed to the side (about as much as it was in Harry Potter and Lord
> of the Rings fandom)

You do realize that makes you a huge snob, and that you'd be alienating
the majority of the fanbase.  Who are you to belittle how people enjoy
expressing their love for a creative work?

>>From a point of innocence, what if one of the teenagers that came to my
>> panels walked in, with no prior knowledge whatsover than the DVD sets
>> themselves, and I started talking about my own, personal fanfiction?
>> They came to hear about "Hideaki Anno's Evangelion"

I've never talked about fan fiction, and if you're once again criticizing
how I do my panels, then again, fuck off.  I'll do what I want with them,
and if people come expecting deep analysis to satiate their desire to
understand Evangelion on some transcendent level, I don't care if they're
disappointed, they didn't read the panel description that clearly states
that the goal is fun, not education.  I've done that before NUMEROUS
times, it doesn't mesh well with what people are expecting at Otakon: fun.

> I'm a fan of "Hideaki Anno's Evangelion" just as I'm a fan of "Tolkien's
> Lord of the Rings".
>
> I don't want to read your fanfic, and I don't want to read your fanscript
> (particularly given that I increasingly realize it probably doesn't
> reflect the series as it was presented, but the skewed perception you have
> of it).
>
> Aaron you'd get thrown off of most forums by this point, as would Rachel.
> I'm not going to give you the twisted validation you want of saying "your
> fanfic is good, just like Anno's stuff!"....is that what you've been DOING
> for the past 3 years?

I have no clue what you're talking about.  Did I miss something?  Did I
ever announce that I was doing some fan-film remake of Evangelion?  This
is why I can't take you seriously V, you either don't know what you're
talking about, or you just make shit up.  The last three years of my life
didn't involve any Evangelion fanscript writing.

As they would say on THAT BOARD: "SAUCE PLZ?"

> Do the people at Sean McCoy's panels "have fun"?

I wouldn't know, just as I did not attend Alex's panel at Otakon, I have
never attended one of Sean McCoy's panels.  It would not be my place to
pass judgment on either of their panel(s).

> It's a complicated series with fans that want "answers" and all you did
> was toss them bread and circuses.

Says the guy who dresses up in costume, leaps from the stage, and throws
VHS tapes of Evangelion to the ground.  If that doesn't sound like bread
and circuses, I don't know what does.

> You have fun treating Evangelion as your own personal plaything, your own
> personal fanfiction circle, which exists to make you feel good and "have
> fun" making lousy internet jokes.

I've read next to no fanfiction.  I general dislike it.  Where we differ
is that I have the maturity to allow people to enjoy it without shoving my
opinion in their faces that it's rubbish that should be pushed to the side
of fandom.

> Yikes, even *Rachel* has at least been *attempting* to answer the question
> at hand.  You're resorted to just pouting.  Your ideas about "all of our
> artsy interpretations are correct regardless of any evidence!" don't mesh
> well with her crazed theorization (at least those ORIGINATED from
> evidence).

Oh yes, I'm in tears V.  This is a deeply traumatic internet argument that
I'll be haunted by for years to come.

My opinion is that time travel is one of the craziest ideas anyone has
ever brought up.  And nothing I've read so far makes me think for even a
second that it's remotely plausible.  And I am perfectly entitled to state
my opinion that I think it's silly.  I don't have to prove that it was a
plot hole.  I don't have to disprove that Lilith can time travel.  Just
because I can't prove or disprove one or the other doesn't make you right
or more likely.  It's just an idea you have that you'll never be able to
prove.

> Not that I anticipate a forum war:  just like last time, she'll send you a
> harsh private message e-mail reminding you who is *really* holding the
> reins on EvaMonkey.com's forums anymore, you'll get annoyed and run off
> and play Halo, then Rachel will self-implode after a few months once
> again.

Hey, guess what, I still do run the forums.  I don't have the final say on
things, NOR DOES SHE.  We're a team, all of us.  Some of us may have a bit
more weight, I like to think I have a bit more weight because I founded
the forums, but if tomorrow I decided that I wanted to take the forums
back to Eva Monkey, they would rightfully tell me to get bent.  And they
should, because I alone cannot run the forum.  I alone am not what is best
for the forum, it's the diverse talents, views, and personalities that
make up the Inner Sanctum.  A group you had a shot at being a part of if
you hadn't decided to become possessive and argumentative with everyone
else, and scheme and connive, and try to get me to do your dirty work.

> The same twisted cycle of tragedy and comedy that you've been forcing the
> rest of us to go along with since 2002.

Eva Monkey has only been online since 2003, V.  And no, I didn't force
anyone to do anything.  I don't hold the reins of the fandom.  I'm just a
voice.  Perhaps one with a little bit of cred, but that's because I've put
a lot of time into it.  I'm just a fan.  Just like Brendan, Rachel, Sean,
or any of the others who have come and gone.

> You're more a fan of "Aaron Clark's Evangelion" at this point than
> "Hideaki Anno's Evangelion".

Is that available on Bluray or DVD?  I should probably pick that up and
see what the big fuss is all about.

--Aaron

> God-damned 1960's "deplorable cultus" LOTR hippie-fandom all over again...
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Aaron Clark <aaronc1 at umbc.edu> wrote:
>
> From: Aaron Clark <aaronc1 at umbc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [EVA] Overthinking (WAS Ghost Rei WAS Eva 00...)
> To: "The english-language evangelion mailing list."
> <evangelion at eva.onegeek.org>
> Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 9:22 PM
>
> I consider myself an expert of many things evangelion.  Among them are
> expert of hosting awesome evangelion panels where we have fun rather than
> reading wikipedia for an hour or trying to explain gospel.  I also
> consider myself an expert at having a real life while being a devoted
> Evangelion fan.  I also consider myself an expert of rocking out on
> Evangelion websites without getting banned.
>
> By the way V, I'm outlining your H doujin, who would you prefer V to be
> paired with, I've narrowed it down to Rei, Asuka, Mari, and Kaworu.  I'm
> thinking a three way between Asuka and Kaworu would be teh sex.  Not to
> mention it would also satisfy the distinct lack of Asuka X Kaworu doujins.
>
> --Aaron
>
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>>
>> V V wrote:
>>> Either play by the "logical evidence" game or you have no claim to
>>> being
>>> an "expert"; that's what we said about McCoy.
>>>
>>>
>> One doesn't have to engage in analysis of the show in order to be an
>> "expert"  on Evangelion. There are more aspects to the fandom and the
>> show than theories and interpretations. Analysis is only one part of the
>> greater fan sphere.
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