[EVA] Translators Needed For the Fan Geek Commentary Project

[V V]

Aren't you the one that admitted to me in January 2009 that you thought EvaGeeks was a worthless website with abusive moderators, stalled projects in all fields (a Commentary that hadn't been worked on in 3 years and a wiki that ground to a halt after Rachel gave me the boot), and that overall, you were ashamed to have a hand in its creation?

Aren't you the one that barely 6 weeks later, then burst onto the forum of my local convention -- in a state you don't live in and have no intention of going to -- when you found out I was doing *my own* Evangelion panels, without your "blessing" as it were?

For the record for those not involved:  I was made admin of the new wiki that new site "EvaGeeks" was putting up; I wrote most of it; Aaron never contributed much of anything; by Christmas 2007, it was essentially just me:  go to any of the history tabs on the EvaGeeks wiki to see just how much I did and how little the rest did.

Eventually...around February 2008, it came to the point that...in rather vague terms, Rachel Clark basically told me that she was upset that people were starting to think of it as "V's wiki" more than "Rachel's wiki" because I was writing so much more; my obvious answer was....well how can you expect people to think of it as yours if you're not doing as much? you said you'd be contributing more, given that you're "the leader" and you didn't.  Why penalize me for *helping* you by setting up a wiki?  This was compounded by the fact that I wouldn't accept long-held fan theories without question;  saying "well, an online encyclopedia is based on evidence...so I can't put in your *theory* that Misato wanted to have sex with Shinji, as a given fact.  That's a "theory""......well, that just ruffled too many feathers.

Rachel took away my adminship -- without telling Aaron -- and I just stopped writing in it at all (quitely they later banned my account there outright, but the horse had already bolted)

Round about December 2008, Rachel was just PO'd that I never submitted to her authority, and was looking for any reason to ban me from the forum: the official reason was "asking too many questionis" specifically, I asked "hey, they're buying Asuka photos in episode 9 for 30 yen each...about how much money is that given the conversions?"

http://forum.evageeks.org/viewtopic.php?p=215718&highlight=#215718

That's a rather whimsical and absurd reason to throw someone off, but the real underlying reason was "V pointed out that the Emperor is naked, that the mods are abusive and not even getting any work done"

furthermore, this basically shot EvaGeek's wiki project in the foot, because all work has ground to a halt since then...what is it, going on a year and a half with work slowed to a crawl?  In the words of Rachel, lamenting how work had stopped, "V must be laughing at us all" -- http://forum.evageeks.org/viewtopic.php?p=227628#227628

So if you seriously think you can run the whole routine of "and V was banned from my forum!"....you guys intentionally did that just for the sake of having a good one-liner to throw at me.  Aaron I'm not the latest round of crazed spambots.  Many fans are upset with how things have been running.  You should have been running things more maturely and now things have really gotten out of hand.  Many fans don't get enough information, and noobs keep coming on and enduring abusive mods or locked threads (amidst cries of "noob! F**ing google it!" when google leads to your site)....all staying in line because there's the false promise of a renewed EvaCommentary, or Evangelion wiki, or actual "information" on the series when you seem to think running 15 minutes of borderline-porn fanart of Mari Makinami constitutes an "informative" update on "What is Rebuild of Eva"?.....OMF here at least tried to give a mature response:  how is an ad hominem attack on me,
 in any way, supposed to be a defense on why your website projects for Eva have stagnated in the past 3 years?

But now that I'm also running national-level Evangelion convention panels, and thus your social equal, my only advice is that you should be acting more maturely, and stop promising new fans things you can't reasonably expect to give.  This might start with putting a stop to pervasively referring to Rebuild-first fans as "newfags" on your forums.  


but I digress....

I see a lot of shouting, delaying, and complaining, but no further advancements on the project.  I'm not going to just follow along for promises of things you can't give...and a large number of other "noobs" (people who watched the series after, say, 2005 and off Adult Swim)....feel similarly. 

With that I close by saying, that "I'm pleased to meet you and I hope you guessed my name, but what's puzzling you, is the nature of my game"





--- On Thu, 11/19/09, Aaron Clark <aaronc1 at umbc.edu> wrote:

From: Aaron Clark <aaronc1 at umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [EVA] Translators Needed For the Fan Geek Commentary Project
To: "The english-language evangelion mailing list." <evangelion at eva.onegeek.org>
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 10:27 PM

Say, aren't you the guy that got banned from Eva Geeks for being a total
raving nutjob?

--Aaron

> Every six months or so, we get told that "the EvaCommentary is
> restarting"...and, for a time, it was enough to dupe us along into
> thinking it really would.  Consider:  it took a full year just to make
> four episodes then stopped in early 2006; the big forum fight that
> resulted in things getting shut down for 3 months was the true breaking
> point.
>
> Most of the people who made the original are gone; in your own forum
> thread, the handful who responded were rightfully worried that...why would
> they put so much work into something Reichu is just going to take full
> credit for?
>
> And now Reichu's been on and off in school for...over 7 years now? It
> stopped being funny...and indeed, she has reached the breaking point: 
> forbidden from going online at all for an entire semester?
>
> Do you think everyone is just going to wait another six months, or another
> full year? 
>
> Can you say with any confidence that you'll be doing this in 5 years, when
> GainaxPages.com went completely offline...simply due to neglect and
> apathy?
>
> It's been an unending stream of broken promises; what have they been
> *doing* for the past three years?
>
> When EvaGeeks started there was a big commotion about "and we'll restart
> the EvaCommentary!"...then when I asked Reichu "So are you going to start
> it this week" she told me to frak off.  And that was over a year ago.
>
> --> This "request" is basically holding up a big sign saying "in
> desperation, even *we* are forced to admit that Rachel Clark is no longer
> capable of doing this"
>
> "Fandom labs" are already hard at work on the translations; but
> EvaCommentary isn't coming back and won't get any translations done.  Even
> if it *did*, there was so much bickering and fighting when the first four
> episodes were made, that I doubt it would proceeds smoothly at all. 
>
> Saying "We're going to make an EvaCommentary...so follow us as authority
> figures and "Eva experts""...now carries about as much credibility as
> "we're going to film our own fan-made adaptation of Eva in our back yard
> using nothing but cellphonecameras!"
>
> It's not coming back, and I've woken up from the fantasy that "it just
> needs a little more time, honest!"
>
> I'm not waiting around for that.
>
> "I'm pleased to meet you and I hope you guessed my name, but what's
> puzzling you, is the nature of my game"
>
> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, ObsessiveMathsFreak
> <obsessivemathsfreak at obsessivemathsfreak.org> wrote:
>
> From: ObsessiveMathsFreak <obsessivemathsfreak at obsessivemathsfreak.org>
> Subject: [EVA] Translators Needed For the Fan Geek Commentary Project
> To: "The english-language evangelion mailing list."
> <evangelion at eva.onegeek.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:33 PM
>
> The Fan Geek Commentary project is a labour of love of the evageeks.org
> website.
>
> Unfortunately, it a project which requires a lot of labour, specifically,
> translation of the
> series production scripts that came with the Renewal DVD Box set. This has
> proven to be the single greatest (and essentially, only) obstacle in the
> creation of the commentary pages. Thus far, only four episodes and the OP
> could be translated before our original translator, Reichu, no longer had
> the time necessary to devote to the task.
>
> So, the project is looking for Japanese to English translators. As many as
> we can get. There is a lot of material to be translated. We don't expect a
> single person to translate the whole thing, but hopefully individual
> volunteers can each translate at least one episode, thereby moving the
> project forward.
>
> I'll keep things short in this email, but for more information, examples
> of the script pages, and contact details; see the blog post at
>
> http://www.evageeks.org/2009/11/commentary_translators_needed/
>
> We're also looking for general translation and information, so if anyone
> has either, please feel free to contribute. In many ways, the whole
> commentary project is a hybrid between a fan-sub, a scanlation and a forum
> discussion. Hopefully this unique project will attract Evangelion, anime
> or manga fans with the translation skills needed to get the project moving
> again.
>
> I'll finish by mentioning that when the project does get moving again,
> we'll be open and appreciative of comments from the entire fandom,
> including members of EML. So feel free to join the discussion if you feel
> you have something to add.
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