[EVA] Asuka's "death" in _End of Evangelion_? (it's noise!)

[EB]

28 days on the spot.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 11:12 AM, V V <frumious99 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> "
>
> The point of a discussion is to discuss, V.  It's a
> fairly transparent and
>
>
> obvious concept you should have no trouble grasping.  Sometimes a
> journey
>
> isn't about where you end up, but how you get there, and where you go
>
> along the way."
> The purpose of explanation is to achieve an answer,
>  not offer personal interpretation.  People asked for an explanation,
> and were given the personal interpretation of "Jaffe's journey
> understanding Eva", or "McCoy's journey understanding Eva".  People came
>  for answers, and in return you gave them discussion for discussion's
> sake.
>
>
> "
>
> on EGF/EMF, on Anime Nation, and on other long defunct
> boards. "
> *defunct messageboards*, rotting in the internet
> archive.  "if a tree falls in the woods.." -- I call this the "man in a
> shack" principle:  there could be some guy living in a shack in the
> Rocky Mountains, unabomber-style, who just orders Eva materials through
> the mail and has *never* gone online to discuss it...and has figured out
>  the series better than anyone.  But if he never tells anyone...or if
> his notes never get shared with other people...how would we know?
>
>
> And post-2005 pretty much everything shut down,
> sites dying off (i.e. GainaxPages.com stopping due to *apathy*)....so if
>  this discussion was so important, what was being done to preserve it?
> New fans coming in just this year, have no way of knowing it.  If
> they're part of "the community" it was actually quite a disservice to
> them.
> "
>
> It has been discussed to death, but that's not saying a new
> discussion
>
>
> wouldn't offer new and fresh insights and interpretations, based upon
> the
>
> different mix of individuals taking part in the discussion."
>   One of the core principles of "the ReVolution" is
>  that the old proverb that "everything that can be said about Eva has
> been discussed to death" is entirely mythical:  actually, surprisingly
> little has been said about the series:  you can't really point to a
> single guidebook to Eva on store shelves, and the academic "articles" by
>  the likes of Napier and the Mechademia crowd have consistently
> demonstrated that they didn't really understand what they were talking
> about, just imposing their own views.  As for "online chatter" ---well
> there was a high "volume" of that but it was of little lasting
> substance:  by all means, a popular series a decade ago developed a lot
> of chatter....but so much was wasted on the likes of Jaffe, desperately
> trying to decode the religious symbols, while *willfully ignoring the
> original Japanese guidebooks that he new existed*
>  No serious attempt was made to rely on a
> "recourse to authority" based on Japanese creator materials; fans wanted
>  to hear their own interpretations more.  Often, it was simply due to
> bad communications (many simply were not aware of these materials)
>  But what lasting, useful discussion was there?
> And if new fans can't access it because its on long-defunct websites,
> it's meaningless.
>
>
>  "
>
> By doing
> that, you're doing a
>
> great disservice to the community, discouraging and stifling the journey
>
> at hand."
>   Saying every theory is correct means that
> ultimately no theory is correct.  No better than playing a game of "Mad
> Libs", not trying to figure out what the original narrative was but
> *having fun doing it*
>  In LOTR fandom, yeah we have fun discussing
> things back and forth, but each side approaches the issue that one and
> only one position is "correct", even if both acknowledge that it is
> impossible to verify which it is.  It's not Schroedinger's Cat, in
> constant flux.
>
>
>  I'm not interested in your personal growth Aaron,
>  nor Rachel's:  I stopped crying over a 7 year community college
> dropout's well-being.  I came to get "an explanation of Evangelion" and I
>  simply didn't get one.  Many didn't.
>
>
> "Preoccupation with a conclusion
> indicates to me
> that you're only
>
> interested in knowledge, rather than in sharing a discussion with other
>
> people.  I would rather have a discussion
> without end.  But then again, I
>
> care about the community first, and answers second."
>
>
>
>   ....well....yeah.  I'm interested in "providing
> answers" to people that want answers, and we need to work as a group to
> find those answers.  I see the whole thing like a team of writers
> working on an encyclopedia:  they're hired for that, it's a job, and if
> one member is being utterly unproductive and providing bad information,
> no matter how "nice" I find them personally, we'd have to throw that
> person off.
>
>
>  Your attitude was "I'm going to defend Rachel
> because she's my friend"....or the dozen other veterans who stuck around
>  for so many years; no better than a high school clique.  And now the
> "EvaWiki" is stalled, all the other projects you promised are stalled.  I
>  usually hear it that "leadership" is based on objectivity, not petty
> cronyism.
>
>
>  The "disservice" is that after 14 years, there
> really is no "explanation" to Evangelion, and you're basically ordering
> all the new fans to sit down, shut up, and listen to theorization that's
>  so wildly inaccurate and not even trying to be based on evidence, that
> it might as well be fanfiction.  I don't "have fun" listening to someone
>  else's fanfiction and a lot of other people don't either.
>
>
>  I'm not "discussing" for the sake of hearing a
> warped game of Mad Libs where the goal is the discussion rather than
> finding an answer.  I don't have all the answers, one person can't, so
> the goal should be what it was in LOTR fandom:  collectively trying to
> refine our understanding, refine our solid "answers"
>
>
>  Btw, Aaron:  I'm happy to see you finally updated
>  EvaMonkey.com after being utterly inactive since May of *last
> year*...but retroactively falsifying the dating of major news
> announcements to give the impression that it *was* actually active in
> the last 8 months?
>
>
>
>
> -- V
> "I'm pleased to meet you and I hope you guessed my
> name,
> but what's puzzling you, is the nature of my game"
>
>
>
>
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