[EVA] Asuka's "death" in _End of Evangelion_? (it's noise!)

[Evirus Aevrus]

I need to set a filter to delete any post that mentions Lord of the Rings.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 6:53 PM, EB <marestes at gmail.com> wrote:
> 28 days on the spot.
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 11:12 AM, V V <frumious99 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "
>>
>> The point of a discussion is to discuss, V.  It's a
>> fairly transparent and
>>
>>
>> obvious concept you should have no trouble grasping.  Sometimes a
>> journey
>>
>> isn't about where you end up, but how you get there, and where you go
>>
>> along the way."
>> The purpose of explanation is to achieve an answer,
>>  not offer personal interpretation.  People asked for an explanation,
>> and were given the personal interpretation of "Jaffe's journey
>> understanding Eva", or "McCoy's journey understanding Eva".  People came
>>  for answers, and in return you gave them discussion for discussion's
>> sake.
>>
>>
>> "
>>
>> on EGF/EMF, on Anime Nation, and on other long defunct
>> boards. "
>> *defunct messageboards*, rotting in the internet
>> archive.  "if a tree falls in the woods.." -- I call this the "man in a
>> shack" principle:  there could be some guy living in a shack in the
>> Rocky Mountains, unabomber-style, who just orders Eva materials through
>> the mail and has *never* gone online to discuss it...and has figured out
>>  the series better than anyone.  But if he never tells anyone...or if
>> his notes never get shared with other people...how would we know?
>>
>>
>> And post-2005 pretty much everything shut down,
>> sites dying off (i.e. GainaxPages.com stopping due to *apathy*)....so if
>>  this discussion was so important, what was being done to preserve it?
>> New fans coming in just this year, have no way of knowing it.  If
>> they're part of "the community" it was actually quite a disservice to
>> them.
>> "
>>
>> It has been discussed to death, but that's not saying a new
>> discussion
>>
>>
>> wouldn't offer new and fresh insights and interpretations, based upon
>> the
>>
>> different mix of individuals taking part in the discussion."
>>   One of the core principles of "the ReVolution" is
>>  that the old proverb that "everything that can be said about Eva has
>> been discussed to death" is entirely mythical:  actually, surprisingly
>> little has been said about the series:  you can't really point to a
>> single guidebook to Eva on store shelves, and the academic "articles" by
>>  the likes of Napier and the Mechademia crowd have consistently
>> demonstrated that they didn't really understand what they were talking
>> about, just imposing their own views.  As for "online chatter" ---well
>> there was a high "volume" of that but it was of little lasting
>> substance:  by all means, a popular series a decade ago developed a lot
>> of chatter....but so much was wasted on the likes of Jaffe, desperately
>> trying to decode the religious symbols, while *willfully ignoring the
>> original Japanese guidebooks that he new existed*
>>  No serious attempt was made to rely on a
>> "recourse to authority" based on Japanese creator materials; fans wanted
>>  to hear their own interpretations more.  Often, it was simply due to
>> bad communications (many simply were not aware of these materials)
>>  But what lasting, useful discussion was there?
>> And if new fans can't access it because its on long-defunct websites,
>> it's meaningless.
>>
>>
>>  "
>>
>> By doing
>> that, you're doing a
>>
>> great disservice to the community, discouraging and stifling the journey
>>
>> at hand."
>>   Saying every theory is correct means that
>> ultimately no theory is correct.  No better than playing a game of "Mad
>> Libs", not trying to figure out what the original narrative was but
>> *having fun doing it*
>>  In LOTR fandom, yeah we have fun discussing
>> things back and forth, but each side approaches the issue that one and
>> only one position is "correct", even if both acknowledge that it is
>> impossible to verify which it is.  It's not Schroedinger's Cat, in
>> constant flux.
>>
>>
>>  I'm not interested in your personal growth Aaron,
>>  nor Rachel's:  I stopped crying over a 7 year community college
>> dropout's well-being.  I came to get "an explanation of Evangelion" and I
>>  simply didn't get one.  Many didn't.
>>
>>
>> "Preoccupation with a conclusion
>> indicates to me
>> that you're only
>>
>> interested in knowledge, rather than in sharing a discussion with other
>>
>> people.  I would rather have a discussion
>> without end.  But then again, I
>>
>> care about the community first, and answers second."
>>
>>
>>
>>   ....well....yeah.  I'm interested in "providing
>> answers" to people that want answers, and we need to work as a group to
>> find those answers.  I see the whole thing like a team of writers
>> working on an encyclopedia:  they're hired for that, it's a job, and if
>> one member is being utterly unproductive and providing bad information,
>> no matter how "nice" I find them personally, we'd have to throw that
>> person off.
>>
>>
>>  Your attitude was "I'm going to defend Rachel
>> because she's my friend"....or the dozen other veterans who stuck around
>>  for so many years; no better than a high school clique.  And now the
>> "EvaWiki" is stalled, all the other projects you promised are stalled.  I
>>  usually hear it that "leadership" is based on objectivity, not petty
>> cronyism.
>>
>>
>>  The "disservice" is that after 14 years, there
>> really is no "explanation" to Evangelion, and you're basically ordering
>> all the new fans to sit down, shut up, and listen to theorization that's
>>  so wildly inaccurate and not even trying to be based on evidence, that
>> it might as well be fanfiction.  I don't "have fun" listening to someone
>>  else's fanfiction and a lot of other people don't either.
>>
>>
>>  I'm not "discussing" for the sake of hearing a
>> warped game of Mad Libs where the goal is the discussion rather than
>> finding an answer.  I don't have all the answers, one person can't, so
>> the goal should be what it was in LOTR fandom:  collectively trying to
>> refine our understanding, refine our solid "answers"
>>
>>
>>  Btw, Aaron:  I'm happy to see you finally updated
>>  EvaMonkey.com after being utterly inactive since May of *last
>> year*...but retroactively falsifying the dating of major news
>> announcements to give the impression that it *was* actually active in
>> the last 8 months?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- V
>> "I'm pleased to meet you and I hope you guessed my
>> name,
>> but what's puzzling you, is the nature of my game"
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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