[EVA] The Adults Kiss in vol.12

[Codename V]

this raises an interesting point RJN:  what sort of copyright laws come into 
play with anime re-releases?  I mean, how ADV had to grab actors to redub Aoba, 
Maya, etc. for the director's cut....though I *believe* they didn't have that 
many new scenes in the director's cuts, which would require new English 
dialogue....

What I mean is, in theory, could a future re-release of End of Eva re-dub Hyuga 
and only Hyuga?  Or get Allison Keith-Shipp to re-record just that one 
problematic line about the 18th Angel and Lilith?  Or, as you would like, to 
remove the F-word use and replace it with something else?

I would imagine that simply *deleting* dialogue or sound effects is easier:  
there are those who would want "hit 'em again!" removed.  I'm trying to set more 
realistic/pragmatic goals (so as not to sound unreasonable, and thus get better 
chances of someone actually making these changes)....I myself would push to 
remove the "splat!" sound effect when Misato kills that JSSDF commando with a 
headshot (it was a dramatic scene....human beings are being killed....why did 
you feel the need to make it funny?)......

Generally I'm fairly forgiving to them in general....simply because I understand 
that they don't speak Japanese and honestly believed what their translator told 
them....but their translator was incorrect.  This isn't a matter of opinion 
about adaptation or something, it was flatly wrong (the 18th Angel line).  So 
there should be no need to push for a change, because any rational person should 
acknowledge that isn't what the actual line is.

Whatever.

I do understand from what FUNimation and others have said, that re-releasing End 
of Eva would be a nightmare due to all of the companies involved in the funding 
on the production committee at the time, which they'd have to get back together 
and argue with.

Even so, is there a legal reason they can't just replace the dialogue of ONE 
character?  Its not as if they filmed all at the same time in the same room, it 
was layered.  Wouldn't that make replacing it easier?




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From: R_J_N <r_j_n at btopenworld.com>
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Sent: Sun, March 6, 2011 4:44:48 PM
Subject: Re: [EVA] The Adults Kiss in vol.12

I wish they had got a Maya that sounded like the Japanese Maya, not ADV's, which 
was the worst casting of the TV series IMO.

Hyuga, I didn't notice too much, I would listen again if I could bear it, but I 
can't.

The dub *and* subtitles wrong translation of the 18th Angel is probably Gaijin's 
worst mistake. But not most obvious. The f-obscenities, were so heinous to me 
(the first being subtitled as well), that anything else (apart from the story 
itself) seemed trivial.
RJN


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> I can respect your differing opinion on the two F-words used in the EoE dub, 
>but
> I hope you can understand that...I feel there were some bigger problems going 
>on
> in the Manga Entertainment release than that.
> 
> I mean to this day....did they ever offer a logical explanation why "Black
> Hyuga" sounds absolutely nothing like the  original Hyuga?  Amy Seeley's Maya,
> the new Fuyutsuki....they at least tried to get *similar* sounding people (and
> Seeley's Maya has grown on me over time).  Was this a calculated insult 
against
> Matt Greenfield?  If so, why does it still seem they're on friendly terms?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
>> I don't consider the EoE dub, despite its multiple errors, to have made any
>> mistake in inserting more cursing...I don't consider it 
"vulgarizing"....given
>> how serious the situation was, everyone getting killed and all.
> 
> ADV did notbuse such offensive language in the TV dub. Had Gaijin kept at 
ADV's
> level, I could accept it. But the sewer-mind ADR writers decided that those 
who
> liked the characters "speaking" in English, would prefer added obscenity.
> Neanderthals need to be entertained too I guess.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 6:24:48 PM
>> Subject: [EVA] The Adults Kiss in vol.12
>> 
>> Well, I got & read my Viz vol 12, with Sadamoto's version of the elevator
>> scene.
>> Its different enough for sure. And the reduced dialogue is better for manga.
>> Thank you Carl/Viz for not vulgarising Misato, as the EoE dub did.
>> 
>> Now onto my main observation. Misato pep-talks Shinji calling him an adult, 
no
>> longer a child, throughout, drumming it into him, hoping it will galvanise 
him
>> into thinking for himself & gaining self respect etc.
>> 
>> This reminded me of that scene, back when IIRC Misato was weeping over losing
>> Kaji (in the anime), & Shinji's first person dialogue "..I was a child"
>> reflected his feeling helpless &  not understanding. It also indicated that
> the
>> Eva story was a recollection/recitation of past events.
>> 
>> Reading the manga, I wondered if Sadamoto is steering toward an older more
>> mature Shinji (physical &/or mental) being somewhere at the end of his
>> (Sadamoto's) story. Just a hope for a totally unique ending........
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