[EVA] EVA: Space Runaway Ideon
immano at katamail.com
Sat Mar 26 17:01:07 EDT 2011
Agreed, and I can't begin to guess why something so simple as "hasta"
("until", "up to") could be so blatantly mistranslated when the rest of
the sentence was done just fine.
Tomino was depressed too, when he did Ideon (he got better after it, in
the sense that he continued being depressed but thought he had done
wrong by expressing such a nihilistic vision of existance in a
production). That the folks at Gainax took bits of Ideon's aesthetics
and a general "everybody dies" theme shouldn't be surprising, much like
the bits of Devilman that creep in Eva. The folks on that forum seem to
be oblivious to the quotes from Anno and Sadamoto below, but I guess
they're superimposing the fact that Ideon wasn't really known in the
West on the Japanese situation.
The only thing about which I would agree with some of them is that it
wasn't necessarily innovative in its nihilistic view, the destruction of
the story, and the sad ending. Zambot 3 (again by Tomino) had already
done as much 2-3 years before, only stopping short of the "the whole
universe dies (and everybody is better for it)" step.
Il 26/03/2011 21:03, Facundo Gaich ha scritto:
> Excuse the intrusion, but there's an error in the translation. A more
> accurate one would be:
> "Actually I have no data on whether Ideon wasn't well-known until Eva."
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Gwern Branwen<gwern0 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> (CC'ing the EML because someone there might know some good quotes or
>> references about Eva& Ideon that I haven't incorporated yet.)
>> I was looking at
>> wondering if there were any hard sources and where that list came from
>> and I noticed your comment that Google Translate translated as 'La
>> verdad que no tengo data sobre si Ideon no fue famosa hasta Eva.
>> Actually I have no data on whether Ideon was not known to Eve. Tenés
>> alguna fuente? Do you have any source?'
>> It's worth noting that GAINAXers would have been *very* familiar with
>> _Ideon_. If you search for mentions of Ideon in
>> http://www.gwern.net/docs/2002-notenki-memoirs.html or
>> http://www.gwern.net/otaku.html you will find quite a few mentions.
>> eg. http://www.gwern.net/docs/2002-notenki-memoirs.html#ideon-festival
>> or http://www.gwern.net/docs/2002-notenki-memoirs.html#fn75 or Anno
>> himself http://www.gwern.net/otaku.html#p :
>>> ... Anno: Of the movies, I recommend Gundam III - Meeting in Space. The
>> picture is quite nice. Moreover, if I have to recommend Mr. Tomino's
>> animation, I would choose Legendary Giant IDEON (1980, TV). It would be best
>> to watch the movie version's Part II (1982, movie) after watching the TV
>> series. Although some of the picture quality might be poor, please tolerate
>> Or http://www.gwern.net/otaku.html#p-7 from Sadamoto:
>>> We had talked a lot in the beginning about wanting a title like "Space
>> Runaway Ideon (Legendary Giant God Ideon)", so I think I did push that. And
>> to tell the truth, the story composition is also similar. For example, Nerv
>> can be considered the same as the Solo Ship fighting a lonely battle against
>> both humankind and the Buff Clan, and then there are the incomprehensible
>> robots that can only communicate with children and tend to go berserk, etc.
>> It might not be an exaggeration to say that if you add "Ideon" and
>> "Devilman" together and divide by two, you get "Evangelion". (laugh)'
>> I think the burden of proof is on anyone who wants to argue that Eva
>> *doesn't* draw on Ideon.
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