[EVA] Shinji's dream (was Re: [EVA] A List of Questions)
nanashi96 at hotmail.com
Sat Sep 5 19:26:42 EDT 1998
>>What I am asking is how do we KNOW that the HCP has occured??? It
could be another of Shinji's imagination. If u go along the lines of
Eva=Shinji's dream, the TV ending could be seen as a section apart from
the series, where Shinji works through the possible realities of his
dream. The HCP is just one of them, along with the alternate endings and
the other sequences in final genesis. In the TV ending Shinji examines
the world he has created, and through it, himself.<<
No. The Shinji's dream theory requires that the HCP happen; it's an
integral part of the structure. If I weren't arguing for this theory,
I'd probably agree with you. Yes, the HCP may possibly be part of
Shinji's imagination, but if we consider the fact that Shinji overcomes
IT AND ONLY IT, it becomes symbolically representative of the Ego
overcoming the Superego. It's the part of the TV ending that has the
most 'impact,' excuse my pun.
I want to ask. Just how many 'alternate realities' did we see? Can you
Watching the TV Episode 26 over again, I found that your so called 'HCP
alternate reality' was the only 'alternate reality' actually named. What
are the others? Basically all of them can be seen as Shinji's
introspections, which are theoretical outcomes of the HCP.
How do we know if the HCP happened? Easy. GAINAX tells us at the end of
Episode 25 ("And then the HCP happened"), and this time they don't
intentionally mislead us. It's fairly straight-forward. They tell us the
HCP happens, and then they show the various characters being
'complimented.' How do we know that those characters aren't part of
Shinji's imagination? Because we see the world from their point of view,
points of view that disagree with the point of view we're presented with
in the EVA TV series in slight ways. We also know that those points of
view are NOT Shinji's, and probably never will be. That's how we know.
>>Also, in regard to the which-ending-is-the-real-one question, i
believe that none of them are. Each is a different ending and is a
seperate possibility. But if there were one that one should take more
stock in, I would say it's the TV ending. It was the original ending
after all, and the movies were only made to suppress the anger of
dissatisfied fans. I personally think the TV ending is the bast of all
of them, but i havent really seen the others just read about them all
over the web and on the ML. :P<<
My evidence that all endings are the same and were created to compliment
Remember the few clips in Genesis 0:13 TV that show Misato and Ritsuko
dead? Misato's lying in a hallway, apparently shot by a bullet;
Ritsuko's floating in a pool of LCL. Is this a coincidence. or do I see
them dead in the exact same manner they died in EoE?
Watching it for the first time just after finishing Genesis 0:12,
doesn't it strike you as strange that Ritsuko and Misato, who were alive
and well, are now suddenly dead for no apparent reason? The initial
reaction is this: It's just a possible future. The fact that Misato goes
through the introspection AFTER this ALMOST confirms her death as a only
Then we see EoE, and we're shown how, one by one, everybody dies. The
most striking thing is that Ritsuko and Misato die in the exact same
manner we see them die in Gen. 0:13 TV.
Evidence that EoE is not just another possibility: GAINAX wants us to
treat EoE in the same manner we treat Gen 0:1-0:12; as episodic
part of the storyline. We know this due to the format of presentation.
It's not A possibility. It's THE possibility.
GAINAX wants us to treat Gen. 0:13 TV as an introspection. Again, we
know this due to the format. The introspection is just an introspection,
not a nessesary part of the story. First time viewers don't get it at
all. And then they watch EoE. After watching EoE, they watch the TV
ending again and, get this, the TV ending CLARIFIES the meaning of EoE.
And after analyzing the structure of Gen. 0:13 TV, it's clear that
clarification is it's only possible purpose. Why else would GAINAX just
mislead the audience into NOT GETTING the story? Why would they present
the deaths of Misato and Ritsuko like they did if they DIDN'T think we
would get it? These things were not meant to be mysteries. The only
explanation for why they would present the deaths in that manner is that
there is a time lapse between the end of Gen. 12 and TV episode 26, the
time lapse represented by the events that happen in EoE.
Another instance where this is true: Gen. 0:13 TV also shows Asuka
inside of her EVA. At the end of 0:12, we see her seriously dehydrated,
and taken away by NERV agents from Hikaru's bathtub. This is an
immediate indication of the time lapse between the end of 0:12 and
episode 26 TV.
Food for thought.
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