R: Re:[EVA] The Second Angel?
bjamieson at ameritech.net
Sun Oct 17 22:51:09 EDT 1999
***First they brought you "Which ending is True?***
***Now prepare for Part Two of the epic clash between EBJ and Brendan:
"Who is the Second Angel?"***
>I mean, I never heard anybody from japan who had actually seen the movie at
>the cinema when it was aired say that the meaning of the sentence was either
>of the ones we know.
So you are saying that both translations are incorrect?
>So I can only assume that nothing is certain due to lack of definite info.
I cannot adequatly comment on the circumstances of Bochan's
translation for obvious reasons. So, although I am 100% behind his
version, I will leave it out of my argument.
>That one still doesn't stand firmly by its own.
I disagree. And still, do you deny that it is the best answer
available? And that it is the most factually rooted of all the
>Rei is Rei, and Lilith, well, we never got the chance to actually
>see Lilith as Lilith.
What do you consider the being crucified in Terminal Dogma?
>We never saw her with her soul
We do in EoE.
>so if Rei clones in the tank aren't Rei, Lilith's empty vessel isn't Lilith.
Who said that an empty Rei isn't Rei?
>By the way, to me Rei is not Lilith.
I never said Rei is Lilith. But I do hold them on the same scale that
I hold Kaworu and Adam on. Kaworu is not Adam per se, but he is
definately part of Him.
>Just the fact that from different angles both our POVs can be consistent
I still don't even know what your POV is :P Who are you saying that
the 2nd Angel is? Or is "We aren't supposed to know." your final
>Not to me.
But w-why? The fact that GAiNAX is willing to put into writing that
Lilith can fall into the 2nd Angel position certainly means that
that's what they were [probably - I admit] aiming for...
>What makes it so?
There is no other evidence to the other theories beyond personal
interpretation. And you've known me long enough to know how much that
means in my eyes ;)
>And what is your evidence?
Well, there's Lilith and Rei's relationship as compared to Adam and
Kaworu's relationship. Then the Liner Notes. And a major part in my
eyes (although you persist in questioning its authenticity) is
Misato's corrected line. There's just too much that says "Hey, I'm a
red flag - Lilith's the Second Angel" to make me think otherwise.
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