[EVA] Umm... the Lance came from Adam. ^^;
nanashi96 at hotmail.com
Thu Apr 6 19:42:02 EDT 2000
>>Tell me, did you know that was the Lance on the deck of the carrier in
Episode 12? Was it ever even stated that that was what it was?<<
The Jargon Book sez:
[Spear of Longinus]
1) A double-pronged spear shaped in the form of a double helix; retrieved
from Antarctica in 2015 under the direction of Gendo and Fuyutsuki. The
Spear was pierced through the breast of Lilith in the Terminal Dogma LCL
Plant by UNIT-00 at Gendo's command. Later, Gendo commanded UNIT-00 to
remove it from Lilith and use it in an orbital attack on the 15th Angel
Ariel. Thrown in the Angel's direction, it attained a speed of 7.9 km/sec,
and was rendered irretrievable after passing through the Angel and entering
Lunar orbit. Immediately before the completion of SEELE's Human
Complentation rite, it returned, flying back to Earth with the tip of its
handle pointed toward UNIT-01's throat. Following, it merged with UNIT-01 to
become the Tree of Life. <snip>
Note that the retrieval is stated.
>>Was it ever stated that SEELE didn't move Adam to Antarctica, and Lillith
to Japan, from the Dead Sea, and just keep it within a very small circle?<<
What we know, and what is relevant:
1) Lilith, as of 2015, is in the Black Moon (Egg of Lilith, Geofront-2).
2) Adam, as of 2000, is in the White Moon (Egg of Adam, Geofront-1).
3) The Lance, as of 2000, is in the Dead Sea, but is shipped to the White
Moon (Egg of Adam, Geofront-1).
4) Adam and Lilith, as of 2004, are in Gehirn/NERV's possession.
5) Adam, as of 2015, is in possession of NERV, German Branch. Shipped to
Tokyo-3, via Kaji.
6) The Lance, as of 2015, is shipped from Antarctica to the Black Moon (Egg
of Lilith, Geofront-2).
7) Rei's creation date is known to have occurred after Yui's accident in
8) Kaworu's creation date is unknown, but "on his papers," his birthdate is
It is noted that the first known appearances of both Adam and Lilith are in
their respective Moons. Information concerning prior shipment is irrelevant
to this discussion.
>>She doesn't appear to have one.<<
Oh? Prove that she doesn't.
>>Pure theory, I know, but it makes sense, doesn't it?<<
It depends. In the ATFT, it's the ATF that powers the S^2, not the other way
>>But in the later episodes, she _does_ have the _Lance_ shoved through
So? So she's put within the vicinity of another S^2. Big deal. Can you prove
that she doesn't have one in the first place?
>>Why wouldn't they? IF Lillith _was_ the "donor", then they would need to
get the donation (a.k.a. Lance) to Adam, who was probably held underground
in the White Moon. Where else do you put a large research facility in
Antarctica that you don't want anyone to know about?<<
Because, to restate:
a) The "contact experiment" is noted to involve Adam and the Lance.
b) If the "contact experiment" is noted involve contact between "the donor"
and the Lance, "the donor" *has* to be Adam.
c) Lilith is hence *not* "the donor."
d) *If* Lilith were the donor, they would be having a "contact experiment"
with her instead.
e) They don't.
>>Which seems to say, "The ego-border is just a word for the ATF."<<
>>Then I began surmising. I surmised that when the ATF/ego-border is
dissolved, the soul is no longer encapsulated in the body and can move
Freely? . . . I'll give you that much, but I default to the ATFT
>>Since Tabris was born on Sept. 15,<<
>"Today's experiment is the Field ego boundary signal, isn't it?"<
>>Which could be taken to mean they were messing with Adam's soul. Possibly
focusing it into another body, a.k.a., Kaworu.<<
>>I surmised that the experiment was to release Adam's soul into another
body. I surmised it was Kaworu's body because he _does_ have Adam's soul.<<
Field Ego-Boundary = ATF.
Signal = point of reference in detection.
A Field Ego-Boundary Signal experiment would simply imply a test for the
boundaries of an ATF, presumably Adam's. There's not enough information
regarding the experiment to go beyond this assumption.
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