REAL ending, was:Re: [EVA] Final Genesis (SPOILERS)
Christopher Michael Bourke
cbourke1 at bigred.unl.edu
Sun Feb 27 15:59:35 EST 2000
> >REAL? If anyone can explain in ANY way how the two endings were
> >diametrically opposed, mutually exclusive, or in anyway >contradictory,
> >please make a [good] case!
> TV Series ending: Shinji smiles because he has become one of the
> Movie ending: Instrumentality is canceled, Shinji doesn't smile.
> Pretty good case right here.
> The overall message is different
> TV: You can be happy if you want!
> Movie: Life is difficult, but there is a chance for happiness.
At least someone is trying to make a good case, thank you. Now let's move
on to the debate. Want is completely separate from what we actually get no?
I may want happiness but whether I get it or not is a totally different
story. This is exactly what happened--as you said. Shinji wants to be
happy (and realizes it in 25-26) but ultimately doesn't get it--how are
these opposed? 25-26 take place COMPLETELY inside Shinji's head in which he
comes to the realization that happiness is relative, ie what we make of it.
This realization is what prompts his happiness--he has become
self-enlightened. Shinji (as the opening text says) has and is the impetus
behind instrumentality--In his mind he still has to decide for himself, in
which he decides to face the real world (EoE) and find happiness for
himself. The TV ending doesn't imply that he chose one way or the other,
only that he gained the knowledge he needed to make an informed decision.
>>The existence of the RCB has only complicated things, not given new,
>Nope. It has clairified that Yui CHOSE to enter the EVA. That Rei was made
from her LCL remains.<
Neither of these adds evidence to the subject at hand...
>>The only answers that you need are NOT ANNO
<<I don't understand this. Do you mean that just because Anno himself didn't
do it, it must be wrong?>>
No, as I stated before, it shouldn't be taken as the end all truth, its
still subject to questionability.
>>RCB is one of those. The reason why it wasn't widely distributed was A)
of what it says is included on the Japanese LDs, DVDs. B) Other books, such
as the Newtype 100% and the Jargon book had the info. C) It was a movie
pamphlet, which are common in Japan. I own the Tenchi Muyo in Love one.>>
Damn it, it was just a primer for those who might have been lost when seeing
the movie--YOu have to watch the entire series or be completely lost, RCB
was intended as a short brief for those who hand't seen all the episodes.
>In an of themselves there is nothing in the episodes and movies that
> >contradicts each other--they both say the same thing.
>>No, they don't. Their message, tone, and manner is different. The Shinji
TV acts differently from the Shinji in the movies. And the endings are
That's because his (let's call them Id and Ego) are different, the TV
episodes occur in his head and EoE occurs int he real world, of course his
attitude would be different. The message is still the same.
>>Where was Kaworu in the TV ending? He was in the movie ending, but makes
appearences on the same level as Rei in the TV ending.<<
So say you--He appeared in shini's head AS AN IMAGE. Remember this is all
in Shiji's head--neither Rei nor Kawarou or anyone else for that matter is
the actual person, just an image that Shinji has of them. Their commentary
is a struggle of the internal forces within Shinji, in this manner it
doesn't matter who appeared where(in the TV series).
>>In fact, where does the TV ending end? In a large, open, unnatural happy
place, where Shinji is congratulated and smiles, becoming one with the
He is not one with the instrumentalized. He is merely enlightened.
>>The Movies end with Shinji in a dark, doomed world, alone with Asuka. No
smiles here, as Shinji chokes Asuka, then Asuka touches him. And she
declares that she's sick.<<
That's because, though Shinji has still chosen to face reality he 1) has to
still work on finding happiness for himself, and 2) everyone else chose the
escapism of instrumentality, thus he probably realizes that his chances for
survival, much less happiness are slim at best.
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