REAL ending, was:Re: [EVA] Final Genesis (SPOILERS)
Christopher Michael Bourke
cbourke1 at bigred.unl.edu
Sun Feb 27 18:54:38 EST 2000
PLease stop splitting up the messages...
> > Why is there a need to even ask such questions? PLEASE give me some
> > to doubt that the movie(s) and TV episodes are some how opposed to each
> > other.
> Because I want to, ok? Because I feel there is room for that. Because it
> would be oh so un-eva-like to make that ambiguous only to have it
> unambiguous. To, me, at least.
Then there is no reason to debate it. I can absurdly question the series to
death too. Where does it end? To what end? There is no point in
questioning what is reasonably inferred.
> > I am answering these questions you merely regurgitate WHY WHY WHY
> > WHY WHY...
> The difference between you and me in this is that you don't answer
> questions, you state your POV as a fact, saying "you just can't doubt
You have asked no questions, merely raised them. I have presented my POV as
fact because I have fact supporting it, reason dilineating it.
> > Again, please give your reasoning. why do the two have to have
> > events leading up to it? The are the same fucking thing!
> Impolite again. Can't you expose your concepts without vulgarity or are
> somewhat weaker that way?
"Politeness is the poison of collaboration".
> Let's try this way: ... For
> example, what do you think is the outcome of the instrumentality of the tv
> ending, movie left aside? I've heard different takes on that, because it's
> meant to be that way. And so is in our case.
Without the movies it WOULD be open to interpretation, but the gaps are
filled in for us. The outcome is presented, we KNOW that shinji chose the
real world. We KNOW everyone else chose complimentality.
> I'm not telling you which other events are taking place so I can't give
> support on another version. I don't take for assured that they are
> Also, I see no sound support from you either,
> only babbling about "it's so obvious...".
1st, WHAT has been left unexplained by me? I've stated "its obvious" once,
and that's because I presented the facts. 2nd, abscent any other support,
which you conceed, no other explaination is viable, thus we are left with
one and only one set of events.
> That's very funny and all
>> except that it's your view on it.<snip...> If EoE is my data, well
> se I interpret that differently than you do, which means that it's no
> usable to assume anything on the tv ending. Your remark about it not being
> that complicated sounds like an insult to my intelligence, you don't seem
> understand that you're trying to impose yourself on the others, that way.
> You didn't say you've been talking to Anno recently, so I can only guess
> you said is the product of your mind.
1st, the events were universal--the cross like figures were all over the
world, what happened to Tokyo-3 happened everywhere, this is shown directly
in EoE. As for imposing myself on other? Don't make me laugh, it was your
choice to engage in this debate, you may stay silent whenever you choose.
*I* am using EoE and eps. 25-26 as direct canon--the imagery we see and the
dialog we hear, it's all there.
>That's because, though Shinji has still chosen to face reality he 1) has
> still work on finding happiness for himself, and 2) everyone else chose
> escapism of instrumentality, thus he probably realizes that his chances
> survival, much less happiness are slim at best.
<<Actually, it's not necessarily true that everyone else chose
over real life, the ymay just take longer to have their complementation
Not so, we KNOW everyone else chose HCP because Unit one flies off; there is
no indication that Shinji/Asuka's complimentation would take any
longer/shorter, therefore it is a safe assumption. We also know that Shinji
and Asuka are the last humans because if they weren't the Adam/Eve
allegory(which had been established for all 26 Episodes!) would be lost.
Additionally, when the multiple Reis were breaking people's AT fields, each
one (though some are fearful) lovingly embrace their destination. As for
metaphor, we can take each character's acceptance of HCP as a microcosm of
the rest of the world. This is all certainly reasonable.
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