REAL ending, was:Re: [EVA] Final Genesis (SPOILERS)
e.barone at flashnet.it
Mon Feb 28 13:52:52 EST 2000
> PLease stop splitting up the messages...
> Then there is no reason to debate it. I can absurdly question the series
> death too. Where does it end? To what end? There is no point in
> questioning what is reasonably inferred.
A lot in Eva is reasonably inferred, 'cept sometimes these reasonable
inferences are wrong. There's still people saying Misato offed Kaji, but
Anno said no-no. However, in the case of the endings nobody says that they
cannot match, only the they could not.
> You have asked no questions, merely raised them.
So I can raise them, at least. I think that can be done. As far as your
reasoning goes, Perry Mason would've never been able to defend anybody
because "what is reasonably inferred" against them needn't be put in
> I have presented my POV as
> fact because I have fact supporting it, reason dilineating it.
You support your POV with your POV and just that.
> "Politeness is the poison of collaboration".
No. Unacceptable position. You behave politely or stop now.
> Without the movies it WOULD be open to interpretation, but the gaps are
> filled in for us. The outcome is presented, we KNOW that shinji chose the
> real world. We KNOW everyone else chose complimentality.
You know nothing. If Yui hadn't said the line about being able to return,
you could be right, but since she did, and nobody says "hey look everybody
else chose Instrumentality", then it might be like that (so much for
celebrating life and humanity), or it might be that they will come
eventually back. But you don't know how it is for sure. Also, nobody meant
to fill the gaps for anybody with the movie, it's as open as the rest of Eva
in a lot of points, and it would be so un-Eva-like of it to be the "ending
for dummies" like you seem to view it.
> 1st, WHAT has been left unexplained by me? I've stated "its obvious"
> and that's because I presented the facts.
No, you presented your perception.
> 2nd, abscent any other support, which you conceed, no other explaination
is viable, thus we > are left with one and only one set of events.
Oh, none is viable? Then I suppose that all the fics that present different
events leading to Third Impact are all a product of my mind?
Yeah, funny because I never heard anybody say that humanity chose
instrumentality over life, it sounds like a very unusual take. Not
impossible, but I would think it would be very unfitting.
> 1st, the events were universal--the cross like figures were all over the
> world, what happened to Tokyo-3 happened everywhere, this is shown
> in EoE.
But Lilith's egg was ripped only from under Tokyo-3, do we see any other
> As for imposing myself on other? Don't make me laugh, it was your
> choice to engage in this debate, you may stay silent whenever you choose.
I engaged this discussion because you were already boasting your idea of it
all as if you knew all of it and everybody else were idiots in the darkness
of ignorance. Get down your pedestal.
> *I* am using EoE and eps. 25-26 as direct canon--the imagery we see and
> dialog we hear, it's all there.
You're using what you want to see in it.
> Not so, we KNOW everyone else chose HCP because Unit one flies off;
So? Humanity's souls were in Eva01? How come? Never seen that, only seen
Lilith/Rei harvest something, were they souls? And if so what does that have
to do with Eva01?
> there is
> no indication that Shinji/Asuka's complimentation would take any
> longer/shorter, therefore it is a safe assumption.
No, exactly since there is no indication on either sense you can't assume
> We also know that Shinji
> and Asuka are the last humans because if they weren't the Adam/Eve
> allegory(which had been established for all 26 Episodes!) would be lost.
I had seen no allegory on that at all. The main concept I percieve in Eva is
to grow up and learn to live, being the new Adam and Eve would be pretty
irrelevant and redundant to that, to me.
> Additionally, when the multiple Reis were breaking people's AT fields,
> one (though some are fearful) lovingly embrace their destination. As for
> metaphor, we can take each character's acceptance of HCP as a microcosm of
> the rest of the world. This is all certainly reasonable.
Wrong again. They are not embracing their comlementation then, they are
starting their instrumentality which will give them what they need to make
their choice, which will have them finally complemented. As for whether that
will lead to refusal of real life or not, it's up to them.
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