REAL ending, was:Re: [EVA] Final Genesis (SPOILERS)
Christopher Michael Bourke
cbourke1 at bigred.unl.edu
Mon Feb 28 11:15:20 EST 2000
> A lot in Eva is reasonably inferred, 'cept sometimes these reasonable
> inferences are wrong. There's still people saying Misato offed Kaji, but
> Anno said no-no. However, in the case of the endings nobody says that they
> cannot match, only the they could not.
Sorry, you didn't make sense here, clarify.
> > You have asked no questions, merely raised them.
> So I can raise them, at least. I think that can be done. As far as your
> reasoning goes, Perry Mason would've never been able to defend anybody
> because "what is reasonably inferred" against them needn't be put in
Yes, but not unendingly. Unanswered questions can only poke holes in an
idea, not support one.
> > I have presented my POV as
> > fact because I have fact supporting it, reason dilineating it.
> You support your POV with your POV and just that.
Whatever, if this is how you see it then we will never get anywhere here...
> > "Politeness is the poison of collaboration".
> No. Unacceptable position. You behave politely or stop now.
Or what? You'll reach out of my computer and slap me? Your demands
themselves don't seem too polite now do they?
> > Without the movies it WOULD be open to interpretation, but the gaps are
> > filled in for us. The outcome is presented, we KNOW that shinji chose
> > real world. We KNOW everyone else chose complimentality.
> You know nothing. If Yui hadn't said the line about being able to return,
> you could be right, but since she did, and nobody says "hey look everybody
> else chose Instrumentality", then it might be like that (so much for
> celebrating life and humanity), or it might be that they will come
> eventually back. But you don't know how it is for sure. Also, nobody meant
> to fill the gaps for anybody with the movie, it's as open as the rest of
> in a lot of points, and it would be so un-Eva-like of it to be the "ending
> for dummies" like you seem to view it.
I agree, what happens in the future is up to conjecture, but that is not the
point here, what was established in EoE was what happened. Only if I
disregard everything I see can I start to make wild assumptions. That's
actually what it was, the fan based was disapointed and confused with the TV
ending, After it was financially feasable, Anno gave into the demands of
those who wanted better explaination, not to mention some mecha fights.
> > 2nd, abscent any other support, which you conceed, no other
> is viable, thus we > are left with one and only one set of events.
> Oh, none is viable? Then I suppose that all the fics that present
> events leading to Third Impact are all a product of my mind?
fan fics? You can't possibly begin to claim them as canon.
> > 1st, the events were universal--the cross like figures were all over the
> > world, what happened to Tokyo-3 happened everywhere, this is shown
> > in EoE.
> But Lilith's egg was ripped only from under Tokyo-3, do we see any other
> devastation scenes?
The crosses cause devastation, besides we see "souls" rising up from the
entire planet, its not just Tokyo here...
> So? Humanity's souls were in Eva01? How come? Never seen that, only seen
> Lilith/Rei harvest something, were they souls? And if so what does that
> to do with Eva01?
[explained in the Ian Forrest post]
> I had seen no allegory on that at all. The main concept I percieve in Eva
> to grow up and learn to live, being the new Adam and Eve would be pretty
> irrelevant and redundant to that, to me.
You shouldn't limit yourself to one concept or message when it comes to Eva.
The Adam/Eve visual shows us that Humanity HAS evolved, the rebirth into
something new(though not as realistic as the actualy Adam/Eve story, it
serves the same metaphor).
> Wrong again. They are not embracing their comlementation then, they are
> starting their instrumentality which will give them what they need to make
> their choice, which will have them finally complemented. As for whether
> will lead to refusal of real life or not, it's up to them.
The exit of Unit 01 implies that they have all made their choice and that
the collective is leaving.
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