REAL ending, was:Re: [EVA] Final Genesis (SPOILERS)
sun1jack at hotmail.com
Tue Feb 29 04:15:30 EST 2000
>I disagree. Instrumentality/Complementation is described several >times as
>a merging of all Humanity into a single entity. The final >scene shows
>clearly that individual identities are preserved.
Well, his AT field was gone, but the individual souls still were there. So,
while there was no borders between people, they still existed.
Besides, they all said the _same thing_ all did the _same thing_ and all
responded in the same way. Everyone was unified. No one was telling Shinji
>Can you demonstrate any line/scene in the series where it tells us
> >individuality is preserved, rather than dissolved?
Can you prove that the
>As to it being a bright unworldly place, that is just in contrast to >the
>dark, unworldly place he is in just before.
He's floating above a planet! Blue-Green background! Shinji's not on Earth.
And if he's not on Earth, then he's part of the instrumentality, because a
place like that doesn't exist in reality. If Gainax wanted to show that
contrast, they could have used a pastoral scene, or a sunny beach. Instead,
they showed a unnatural place.
>I agree the change implies a choice was made, but not that it >indicates a
>choice for Complementation.
Then what was the choice?
>However, the imagery does not show Shinji in that Alternate world >after
>making a choice. Not the one with Rei's panties nor the >Allegro non
>Troppo style limbo.
He is shown in _a_ alternate world. And he learned from that experience that
he could be happy. Not in reality, but that he could be happy through
>I agree the place where he "is" changes significantly when he makes >his
>choice, but not to one of the Alternate worlds we have seen.
But it is a nice, ahppy, place wher enothign bad is shown towards Shinji.
The theater was sterile, and the misty place was dark.
>This is interesting, and I wonder who's interpretation this is.
Some one at Gainax, responsible for commentary. Anno-tachi would be involved
to some degree.
>I have not read this book, so please give us some context and >background,
>if you can.
Well, at the bottom of each page is a checkpoint, which gives some
commentary or explanations of the parts of the episodes.
In reference to the end, it specifically states that Shinji's smile is the
same one of the Instrumentalitized, because Shinji accepted it.
>Director Anno creates a series, with a certain ending.
>The fans scream about it, sending hate mail etc.
>Director Anno responds "Right, you ungrateful bastards. I bared my >soul
>for you and *this* is the thanks I get... Take THIS!" and >produces a movie
>... with a different ending.
Nope. See RCB notes. He was forced to change the ending due to money/budget.
EoE was always going to be the ending. In fact, the scenes from EoE seen in
Episode 25 were made because they were going to make EoE, but decided that
they couldn't afford them. The TV ending was rushed. Anno likes the ending
because he made something good on a limited budget/time.
The script had to be made at a quick pace, and the original script was set
aside and eventually, after some revisions, became EoE.
>Is the first ending now invalid ? Or changed ?
No. But it wasn't what was supposed to happen.
>Is it changed by someone (even Director Anno) writing in a filmbook >after
>the change of heart ?
It isn't changed, but it can be explained.
>Certainly Director Anno himself has said this, that both endings are >true
>(I forget the citation, but I suspect it's in the archives >here).
Both are true, but not the same.
>Rob. "But some are more different than others (and possibly equally
MugenHunter! "The above quote I agree with. The stance that they are the
same ending I don't."
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