[EVA] [EoE] Death Except Spoilers
Oscar Alan Archer
oscar.archer at student.adelaide.edu.au
Mon Sep 11 11:06:46 EDT 2000
>no, it doesn't... I'm simply defending my interpretation of the series as
>everybody else is.
If someone challenges that interpretation, one must offer solid the evidence
behind it, and if this isn't solid enough, there's no excuse for not conceded
that one might be wrong.
>this ML. If you don't want to discuss this point simply ignore my posts. Am
>I asking too much?
Um, why did I join the discussion, then, if I didn't want to discuss this point?
>huh? so because they don't mention TI, we assume that TI didn't occured in
> Then how did the HCP take place?
There's no evidence that series HCP required TI. You are the one telling me
it did, so *you* must explain the "how".
>err did you read well (or read at all) my question? "as much as the TV
>series ending?" I'm not stating that EoE is unsurreal, but less surreal than
>the series ending.
Sure, all that stuff of the cast inside eachother's heads in eps 25 is pretty
surreal, but it is comprehensible. But that sandbox scene is just wacky. Well,
if the series seems more surreal to you, that's okay. Sorry to challenge that.
>*-_-* next time do read previous posts before replying... I was comparing
>the series and the film: the Sea of LCL is, in Shinji's mind, the World of
Fair enough. This is your interpretation, and you have offered evidence to support
it. Just not hard enough evidence for me to be convinced.
>> isn't Kaworu there too?
>*-_-* obviously that is not reality,
> but a metaphor of Shinji's return to
Obviously? This point was never obvious to me.
>Kaworu absence: remembering Kaworu was very painful to Shinji... Kaworu's
>picture would certainly hurt him in that scenario...
Wouldn't want to let anything which would hurt him into the HCP...
>huh? I'm interpretating the series ending as you interpretate (I think) EoE
>ending... in EoE, Gendou didn't know what Rei was up to, did he?
He thought he had her completely under control. He was *surprised* when she
decided something for herself, remember?
>didn't know what Shinji was going to decide, did he?
He didn't have a reason to care about such a thing.
> IMHO, the same happened
>in the series... human mind is impredictable and so was Shinji's... nobody
>knew what was going to happen.
*After* Rei rebelled... Though SEELE didn't seem worried. And Kiel was happy
with the result.
>>> >[note: and it wouldn't make sense mentioning an "I" feeling in the
>>> >Complemented world
>> Actually, prove that.
>HCP: A plan to induce artificial evolution for human, who had reached an
>impasse in becoming a colony of worthless, to become a total single-form
>"a total single-form organism"... will there still exist individual minds,
>egos - "I"? I believe not.
You believe not. But you have yet to *prove* it. Much has been argued here over
the years about the extent of the individual in EOE's HCP.
>and did they centered in Shinji? why was Shinji so important?
Main character. Pilotted best Eva. Based on Anno's feelings following his bout
of depression. Hey, you asked.
> I believe
>Shinji was so determinant in HCP in the series as he was in the film.
Fair enough, but see the start of this post.
>hmm... in EoE, we also have people turning into LCL, "embracing" their
>wishes, their "complements" - everyone was being complemented -
Yep, yep. I know this. They turn into goo.
>Shinji's decision in his own complementation project determined Humanity's
That's what happens in EOE, all right.
K Oska Archer http://www.senet.com.au/~archer
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