[EVA] Re: [spoilers] RE: EOE interpretations

[archer at senet.com.au]

Quoting Greg Muir <gregmuir at adelphia.net>:

> > I think she trusted him.
> 
> Whoops.
> 
> "Sorry, world! You know how moody teenagers are. Gomen nasai!"

As is stated in the movie and RCB, Rei was the one to entrust Instrumentality to 
Shinji. If you remember, Gendou knew when Unit 01 activated, and there is no 
reason to think he didn't expect Shinji to be piloting it at the time. Assuming 
this is true, it is likely that Unit 01's role in the process was independent of 
the pilot, and the pilot (by the designs of his mother) happened to be Shinji.

> How so? If they're head trips what they say is suspect. If they are the
> real
> characters, well, what they said didn't necessarally seem to follow
> visually.

You'll need to present clearer evidence that the scenes from the second half of 
EOE are comprised of Shinji's head-trips and not influenced by the tantai 
consciousness or the Instrumentality process itself (the fine mechanics of which 
are nebulous at best), other than just "these things have already been 
established in the series".

> If his head trips could pull in information he's never learned for himself
> then we're talking about some sort of group mind telepathy.

As in where one cannot tell where one ends and others begin? That would be Rei's 
"Sea of LCL".

> > That's not how it looks when the the souls spread out over the Earth.
> 
> So there's orbital LCL and planetary LCL? It's a little late at night to
> whip out EoE but my recollection is that the red spray appeared to be made
> up of discrete motes of light, i.e. souls.

The point Brendan made is quite legitimate - the spreading glowing things look 
the same as what got collected by the Black Moon but Lilith's neck would only 
seems to be spraying a liquid which *will form spheroid globules in freefall*.

> My understanding is that the LCL represents the earthly remains of
> humanity,
> the cast-off bodies. Bodies go sploosh, soul goes shooting up into the sky,
> Rei plays cat in the craddle with them. When Shinji rejects instrumentality
> Rei blows apart and the spray of red are the souls of humanity left in
> orbit.

Even if this is right, which appears to me to be contradicted by scenes already 
mentioned, Shinji returned to the surface from orbit and got out of the LCL sea. 
If the souls wish to return to their forms, as is suggested that they will, then 
what's stopping them? Certainly not the little matter of getting out of an entry 
plug... ^_^

I think your interpretation draws heavily on visual information which then 
affects the meaning of the dialogue, i.e. what is said at the end of the process 
comprises some form of hallucination in Shinji's mind if I understand correctly, 
when IMHO it is more reliable to apply the dialogue to the visuals, the latter 
being of a surreal nature, and then interpret it all from there.

KO Archer

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