[EVA] Re: [spoilers] RE: EOE interpretations

[Archer]

At 02:09 PM 9/2/01 -0700, you wrote:

> > Except we know that a human form is capable of reforming.
>
>So they said.

Nah, what I meant was we know they can reform from what happens to Shinji 
in episode 20.

>to strangle her, then breaking down. That reaction seemed so at odds to the
>state of peace he had finally come to within the head trips.

True. But IMO Eva isn't one of those shows where a character will go into 
an introjection then abruptly come out of it shouting "It's all clear 
now!". I've always liked how the outward aspects don't necessarily follow 
the inward.


>I
>think what we can both agree on here is that a little more info for the
>viewer would have been nice if Anno did not intend the dark ending.

Yes we can.

>Mood and actions of the two after they are on the shore.

They is some screwed-up kids.

>Oh go play your balliset you lump-faced troubador! :)

Heh :)

>Oh, I in no way meant for you to stop. There are certain points in the show
>that can be argued to conclusion because they are fact, such as whose soul
>is in Unit-01.

Naoko's! No - Pen-pen's! No! Arrgh!

>points and the best that can be hoped for in the area of understanding is "I
>think I know what went on." But in the way of such things, not everybody
>will grasp the same conclusion.

I see where you're coming from.

>Are you questioning whether my jab was relevant to the discussion at hand?

Well, I agree that if Shinji was lying on the beach thinking "Oh good, 
everyone can pull themselves out of the goo, it can't be this bad for long" 
he *probably* wouldn't consequently try to throttle his only company. But, 
after piloting Eva and steering Instrumentality, he's just a boy, and IMO 
he's cracked. If he's thinking anything and isn't just a bundle of id, I'd 
think it'd be something like "Was all of that REALLY necessary?"

>Indeed. The quality of the VA's in this show is why I simply cannot stand
>the dubs. Ugh. Talk about sucking the life from a scene with only a voice.
>And the VA for Maya is the woist!

And what a point of agreement! I mean, what were they thinking with those 
english VAs!?

>I'd much rather see things you way. For me, the end of EVA is not a sad
>ending, it is not a tragic ending, it is a pointless ending. From what I can
>see, everyone is dead and thus there was no point to anything that went on.
>Your interpretation makes things much happier.

Well, maybe. I don't think of it as happy, just that the end dialogue 
really makes it clear that there is some sort of hope. But its just as 
pointless - great, Instrumentality happened, but it failed and no-one is 
any better off for it, forsooth. And it could be f******* ages before 
anyone gets tired of unexisting - IMO the only reason Asuka and Shinji are 
there already is that they were in Evas when it hit the fan.

>There would be a chance to start over. Rick fires up his Valkyrie and they
>fly towards the super-dimensional fortress.

Loved that episode. Bloody zentraedi thinkin' they can conquer us...

>Well, it's certainly been an interesting discussion. :)

Haven't had a good one for at least a year.

>"Why does Rei have wings when she becomes MegaRei?" "Because it looks cool."
>:)

Wait 'till you see the revised destruction of Arael. "Why does the Lance 
uncoil and grow thrusters?" "Because its the coolest-looking thing in the 
whole series."