[EVA] Angel Names and BAckground

[nocturne]

> > Mmh, I feel a certain amount of bad criticism in your words...
>
> That's why I made a clarification, which you should probably have already
> read.
>

Yes I have read. I was too fast-responsive, like you with Esa.

> > But, you know that you are not obliged to write to this mailing list?
It's
> only a
> > suggestion!
>
> This sounds like a hurt reply to some non-existant bad criticism...
>

Like above.

> > Anyway, you can read my answer to steven McGraw to know what I see into
> Eva.
>
> On to your answer then:
>
> > Restricted simply to names and self-related symblosims.
> > Eva is a path in human evolution, a work of thousands of meanings.
>
> I suppose that by saying "human evolution" you mean the evolution of the
> individual (his 'life' as interactions with others), and not evolution as
a
> species, because I really really cannot see any _relevant_ mention about
> that, unless you mean the fact that humans, like Adam, come from Lilith
(or
> humans come from Lilith who is like Adam, depending on your favorite
> interpretation), which is very cool as far as Eva goes, but really means
> nothing when you go back to the main message (people, individuals, life,
> etc).
>

You don't see anything? And what do u think about Seele's project about
human race evolution made from Lilith and Lanciae Longini? You can
appreciate this matter in "the end of evangelion".

> > The ebrew's and cristian's roots of what is showed during the episodes
are
> > NEVER explained.
>
> Indeed. Eva is not a religion class.
>

I didn't say that Eva would make religious proselitism... (of course)
moreover, Cabbala is not part of ebrew's religion, but a well-identified
teosofic wisdom.

> > This means that Anno felt to use them not to take advantage of japanese
> > otaku's suggestibility, but on the contrary to stimulate the desire of
> > knowledge of well-minded people.
>
> "This means"? According to what logic from those premises follows this?
I'd
> say the very opposite is true. Of course, some people in Japan ventured
> looking up references and wondering what the hell they meant to the show,
> and I'm fairly sure they're the same people Anno said had not understood
> what he was trying to say. This is as irrelevant to Eva as he made it be
> with episodes 25 and 26: he dismissed that aspect of the show in favor of
> his concepts.
>

I said that these concepts could give some interesting starting points to
certain people
who wants to expand their knowledge.

I said "this means" yes. If you think that this expression is not so good,
I'll try to explain again my thinking: I appreciate the fact that Anno would
mantain hidden mistical subject, and not expressively exposed through the
words of some characters, because he create the possibility of using grey
materia to people interested in particular studies. And, if a lot of people
could not see this possibility and going on watching Eva only for intersting
mecha design and cool combat scenes, who cares?

As regard of Anno's words, it's true. But you must remember that behind
Evangelion there is not only Hideaki Anno, but all GAINAX.

> > Anno has chosen the ebrew's wisdom because it deeply examine the human
> soul
> > (look for Sephirots Tree meanings). This is my opinion.
>
> And you're entitled to your opinion, of course, and nobody can take it
away
> from you. But consider just this: hebrew myths about the origin of life
> (cause that's what he fished into) are not the only ancient sources of
deep
> insight about human soul, let alone the fact that the western concet of
> "soul" is different than the Japanese one. So isn't it a bit too bold to
say
> he had to turn to that to find what he was looking for? What then of the
> also numerous references to Oriental mystic imagery (tao and so on) in the
> show?
>

I know well that cabbala is not the only ancient myth. But it's one of the
most complex mistical systems humans have created, and probably Anno decided
it would fit as well with his ambitious project.

> > You said right. As I know, he studied the Zohar and the Sefer Yetzirah.
>
> Not that this would counter what I said before, but for the record's sake,
> how do you know?

I read this on one of the most complete italian websites:
http://www.evangelion.mangaitalia.it/

I am sorry, but it's only in italian.

- malebolgia

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